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“All they are trying to do is convince us that there is some kind of movement toward where we want,” Siblani said. “But it’s too slow and it’s dragging. It’s more death and casualties that are happening.”

The highest-profile example of the stonewalling came last week when a Palestinian American doctor walked out of a meeting with Biden. But interviews with Muslim and Arab American leaders reveal how that face-to-face protest was only the most conspicuous case of a fracture that has damaged crucial relationships and closed avenues needed to repair them.

But the situation presents a challenge for a president who believes in the political power of personal relationships and has prized his history of sitting down with opponents and critics. It could also jeopardize his reelection this year, with some Muslims warning they are unwilling to support Biden even it that risks returning Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, to the White House.

Salam Al-Marayati, who lives in Los Angeles and leads the Muslim Public Affairs Council, described the attitude as, “Forget them. They have to learn a lesson. And if they lose, that’s the lesson they should learn.”

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[–] rayyy 36 points 7 months ago (1 children)

" some Muslims warning they are unwilling to support Biden even it that risks returning Donald Trump" ...who will be eager to urge Israel to "finish" the job".

[–] FenrirIII 3 points 7 months ago

And then Trump puts in his Muslim ban.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago (9 children)

some Muslims warning they are unwilling to support Biden even it that risks returning Donald Trump

Yep, these people are fucking morons.

[–] conquer4 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We don't get good support from this one guy, so we want to make it so the guy who promises to fuck you over gets elected.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

More like if we burn you burn with us

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, they're morons for refusing to vote for a guy killing their friends and families. Maybe you should work harder to move the Dems away from supporting genocide.

They're not voting for Trump either. They're exercising their democratic rights. Biden should earn their votes, not be entitled to it because one guy is less overt about doing genocide.

[–] FenrirIII 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

You have a gun with one bullet. Should you shoot the guy who says he's going to stab someone or shoot the guy who says he's going to blow up a daycare full of children? Hmm. Better exercise your moral highground and do nothing. That'll show'em!

[–] hark 2 points 7 months ago

What a nonsense imaginary situation you've made up to excuse your favored genocider-in-chief. If you ever wonder how the Holocaust could've been allowed to happened, just look at your own posts trying to justify genocide happening right now.

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[–] TORFdot0 4 points 7 months ago

I get your point of view because the alternative is surely worse, but from their point of view, their people and for some their own families are the ones who are dying.

[–] hark 2 points 7 months ago

The true morons are biden and his supporters who think supporting genocide is more important than winning the election. Stop supporting genocide and you get their votes. Seems like a win-win, but I guess biden and his supporters think that's too much winning. Typical democrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Dan Koh, deputy director of the White House Office of Intergovernmental Affairs, said the administration wants “to make sure we’re as accessible as possible.” “We understand that some people do not want to engage. We respect that,” he said. “But we think that the people who have engaged have felt that it was a fruitful discussion.”

"Why isn't our good good words convincing people?!"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

This is the right move. Stop talking and expect action. Otherwise, be unemployed come November.

[–] Tamoato 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If you're an American it seems like your choices really are between Biden and his slow genocide or Trump with his quick one.

It doesn't seem like you can really rely on your political leaders to help resolve this conflict in a way that doesn't lead to more suffering and death, only the pace at which it happens. If those are the only two options, I don't blame Muslim and Arab Americans for giving up on Biden.

I think it would just be more honest to acknowledge there's no real support amongst any American political leadership to minimise the suffering of either the Palestinian or Israeli people.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What suffering of the Israelis? They're partying and listening to shitty techno music and getting showered in free American money and weapons.

Palestinians are living in tents and starving. They'd love to be subjected to America's treatment of Israel.

[–] Tamoato 3 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Both Palestinians and Israelis see each other as existential threats. Ignoring this basic reality means there will always be conflict in the region.

Palestinians are suffering en masse right now, I don't think anyone reasonable is denying that.

But what do you think happens if the underlying, justifiable, fear that they each have of the isn't addressed? There will be more massacres and more war, and like in every war, innocent people will pay the price.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Both white slave owners and black slaves see each other as existential threats. There will be conflict. We should try to find a negotiated peace between them so the slave owners can have their slaves in peace.

Stop both-sidesing this like a dumb liberal. What's happening is colonialism and it's wrong. Wake the fuck up, Israelis are trying to replace the Palestinians, not co-exist with them. There is 75 years of history to demonstrate that.

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[–] TORFdot0 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It doesn’t matter whether Trump or Biden is President to stop the war in Gaza, what matters is that Netanyahu isn’t Prime Minister

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Gantz has already said he'd also invade Rafah once he's prime minister. The issue is not Netanyahu. It's all of Israel as a racist apartheid ethnostate.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We need to stop paying attention to what the Biden government says, and pay absolute attention to what they do! They're speaking out of both sides of their mouth, FFS!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

It's an election year, so yeah.

Lots of posturing, very little action.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Fuck Israel.

https://kolektiva.media/w/ba1cb5b0-521f-4aee-9334-bd5ab1dd16e1

Donate to legal funds for those who get captured by police on April 15th or get your ass to a demonstration. This needs to stop.

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