Infrastructure (lemmy.world)
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[-] mlg 116 points 1 month ago

"Lol China will never catch up"

Outsources everything to China

China catches up

"Yeah well China will never become eco friendly"

China starts producing cheap eco friendly tech

Yellen: "Hurr durr muh overproduction will hurt the oil compa- i mean global market"

[-] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago

"We already benefited from slaves so now slavery is bad, We dictate what civilized world means"


"We polluted the whole world for our industrial revolution, so now pollution is bad, we protec environment"

Outsources everything to a country without any labor rights or environmental protection

feels good man


"We enabled our big tech to create a global surveillance system and international monopolies"

Tiktok bad because it reports to CCP

Pointing out any of the hypocrisy means you're a tankie (i'm yet to know what it actually means).

As far as I'm concerened, one does bad things without any filter, one uses the media, tech and its hegemony to project a positive image while severely downplaying and ignoring their atrocities.

Sooner or later, China is also going to learn to do the same with their big tech and media companies.

[-] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago

What you said is all true. And most of the tankies I've come across seem to hold their beliefs mostly due to learning about and needing to confront the hypocrisy that you've outlined.

But in my opinion, they come to some strange conclusions. For example, it seems to me that many hold Russia and especially China up as some kind of shining beacon of hope, and miss that they are just as bad as the US, if not worse, just in different ways.

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[-] trolololol 16 points 1 month ago

If it helps, probably not

A tankie is a kind of communist that is disliked by other communists. So you know if someone calls you a tankie, that person is a leftie and they agree you're a leftie too, but the bad ones.

It comes from the invasion of socialist Hungary (?? Not really sure here) by Soviet tanks. There were people for and against it. The ones in Hungary defending Soviet point of view, that is, supporting tanks imposing social order, were called tankies.

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Western Economists: What China really needs to do is stop investing in production, promote domestic consumption, and start spending foreign reserves on goods rather than bonds.

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

China closed the gap for sure, but they haven't caught up yet. Their demographic issues and deflation over the next decade is likely to hinder their progress in closing that gap

Not that I oppose other economic systems from prospering, just I don't think it's accurate to say they've caught up. For example, they still can't manufacture chips at as small a scale as US companies can. That's a very significant manufacturing component to be dependent on

[-] dual_sport_dork 9 points 1 month ago

What "other economic system?" China is a state capitalist command economy -- They can call themselves "communist" all they want but at this point it is in name only and we all know it. They left behind any shreds of actual communist philosophy in the late 1970's and conveniently kept only the Soviet style authoritarian parts.

The entire country is run as one giant business for the purposes of profit, and although major swathes of their business sector may be state-owned, they're still driven by a capitalist profit motive, and they keep said profits for themselves to no benefit of the teeming masses who make up everyone who isn't already at the top.

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[-] [email protected] 88 points 1 month ago

Yeah it's non-stop laughs here

[-] pigup 63 points 1 month ago
[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

I'd laugh, but I lost the ability to in an asbestos mine and don't have health insurance to fix it.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Don't worry about it. They can't really fix that anyway.

[-] [email protected] 80 points 1 month ago

And Canada, too. Thanks Mulroney.

Privatized oil, privatized Air Canada, privatized Via Rail. They would've gone further if they could've.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

They're really trying here in Alberta. I hate it here

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Preach. It's just getting worse and worse here.

[-] SocialMediaSettler 7 points 1 month ago

I feel sorry for you.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

And Australia, too. Thanks Hawke.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Don't forget the NAFTA-shafta. Selling all our manufacturing down the river.

[-] disguy_ovahea 75 points 1 month ago

Because Karl Marx said socialism is good, and they determined Karl Marx is bad, therefore socialism must be bad.

[-] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago

Other way. They determined socialism is bad first since that gives a real alternative to capitalism.

[-] disguy_ovahea 47 points 1 month ago

It doesn’t need to be an alternative. It’s a really effective way to regulate capitalism by standardizing and socializing private industries like education, police, fire, roads, internet access, healthcare, etc.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Socialism is the workers collectively owning the means of production, everything else is just details. (Well, the anti-heirarchy bit is important too, especially to keep the means from falling into something that isn't just capitalism with extra steps, but complicated)

It is innately opposed to capitalism as a result. What it isn't innately opposed to is a market economy.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 6 points 1 month ago

Is a service economy inherently socialist? The person is the means of production and is self owned.?

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago


The problem would start when you start organizing the service provision into company heirarchies. Especially if the main thing someone provides is owning the company. In that case, the "means of production" include the organization itself.

I could see a really idealized gig economy model working, though. Or just everything being organized as worker co-ops.

And, of course, then you have to start asking questions about how the service economy is actually procuring resources to function. Sure, you're trade based, in theory, but who are you trading with? One of the reasons socialism tends to be globalist in nature is that it doesn't do a whole lot of good for the idea if that "socialist economy" is actually supported by imperialism or someone else doing the ruthless exploitation of labor and then selling you those resources for cheap.

How socialist is your worker owned co-op, really, if you're buying your food from a slave plantation?

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

I would argue that the alternative is important even if you don't do it. The USSR increased standards of living in capitalist powers by leaps and bounds, just by standing, even only on paper, for an alternative.

[-] [email protected] 64 points 1 month ago

Sweden also stopped investing in infrastructure in the 1980s but not because of privatisation. It's just very expensive. Now everyone one is blaming each other when everything breaks down, especially politicians that are no longer in the government. There is no "accountability" for the government.

[-] Dozzi92 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The child in me takes some twisted pleasure in hearing of Scandinavians suffering from similar problems to us over here who seem to be unable to right the ship. Maybe it's a misery loves company thing. Maybe it's because I think the more of us suffer, the quicker we can all work together on a larger scale to come up with a fix. Just feels a bit hopeless at times, and I guess it's by design.

And I wish the best for you in Sweden, I don't mean to suggest I am hoping for your failure at all. I just see a picture painted here and on Reddit so frequently of a bustling utopia, and it can be a little demoralizing at times.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Maybe it’s because I think the more of us suffer, the quicker we can all work together on a larger scale to come up with a fix.

I'd love to share that line of thought, but then I remember the COVID response and that initial plan for a patent free vaccine.

[-] Dozzi92 7 points 1 month ago

Same shit different day it feels like. I just don't know what it'll take for a full on workforce strike. Whoever is pulling the strings does a great job balancing taking away our liberties with working us to the bone.

You're absolutely right though, and it just leaves me feeling like what now, what do we do? And then we fight over stuff amongst each other.

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

I remember when driving from Finland to Sweden, the road quality markedly dropped when we crossed the border. I found that funny, because I was sharing a car with some friends who had had an unfortunate time in Sweden and they joked that the sudden dip in road quality was more evidence of Sweden being cursed.

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[-] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago

4 people are richer than God

Wait... Doesn't the church give all their donation money to that guy? Surely God is still richer. /s

[-] Frozengyro 18 points 1 month ago

"He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money!"

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

God spends the money through his disciples, child.

Now fucking tithe.

[-] Agent641 19 points 1 month ago

I donate 10% of my income to the poor.

I am the poor.

[-] edgemaster72 5 points 1 month ago

The more you give, the more you qualify to receive!

We take tithe now, charity comes next week^TM^

[-] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

Similar thing happened to German telecommunication infrastructure (for an industry nation our internet is notoriously bad in compatison to EU neighbours), happened to our public transport infrastructure, especially to our trains, and is currently happening to our hospitals.

Privatizing critical infrastructure has never been a good idea.

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[-] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

They're waiting for The Trickle.

[-] uberdroog 23 points 1 month ago

I feel like I have been trickled on my whole life. Kinda ready for it to stop honestly. Maybe they could take a step closer to the capitalist urinal.

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[-] ProIsh 22 points 1 month ago

Sure but almost everyone is richer than god. That mf needs money all the time.

[-] Ton 20 points 1 month ago

Read 'The Shock Doctrine'...

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[-] LordOfLocksley 13 points 1 month ago

I hate the roads here in the UK. I feel like I'm driving a slalom every time I get in the car. So many potholes. Some are pretty tiny, but others are like god himself fisted the road

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[-] lugal 10 points 1 month ago

No worries,mobility will tickle down eventually

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[-] Quackdoc 8 points 1 month ago

Keep in mind that it's actually really bloody hard to get potholes filled as a "private entitty" the only real option you have is to literally throw money at the "Local Government" whatever it might be called for you then tell them the flow will stop unless they do it.

Free market can't do shit unless it's actually free to do stuff like this.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago


...ha ha...


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