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[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 months ago (2 children)

My biggest concern is they will hold your data hostage if you don't pay or try to leave.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Also, how can we be assured the privacy practices of their subscription/payment platform are at least better than the (likely blockable) trackers?

Forming a financial relationship with a website is, theoretically, infinitely more traceable to your personal identity than all the cookies in the world.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

My bank would probably tell everyone before they did.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Can't do that in the EU (thank you GDPR).

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Im in the US. The law dose not apply to businesses who can pay bribes.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Join us in the EU 🙂

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[–] MotoAsh 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Unless the US is joining the EU, telling people to move is not a solution but a side-stepping. Side-stepping problems allows them to continue and grow.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

but they do this here anyway, at least in germany

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They can, but then that can end up in EU court. If it happened to you, tell the consumer association of your country or your Data Protection Officer. People and companies can do what ever they like, they just have to live with the consequences.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

This is what we're discussing

My biggest concern is they will hold your data hostage if you don’t pay or try to leave.

Are golem, pur, spiegel, and others doing so? Have you tried asking for your data to be deleted and gotten a "fuck you we won't" or no response at all (which is also the equivalent of "fuck you we won't")?

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago

Privacy is not paid for. Privacy is taken. it is something that only you can achieve for yourself. paying ransom money will do little

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Even if you pay them, your privacy is gone. Any part of you placed in someone else's hands makes privacy a joke

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Now they got ya financial info! Even less privacy!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago
[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I misread pay as gay and I thought this thread was going to get spicy

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

New biometric method just dropped

[–] VerseAndVermin 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is € 251.88 the estimated loss in revenue? I would like to say that it only makes sense if you assume the user will be on the platform either way, instead of just not paying and leaving. However, my experience with others makes me believe they will take whatever option to get to what they want.

I think it's a situation for policy but, at least here in the US, our policy makers aren't in the ethical or learned position to be effective.

What I'm saying is, the boat has holes and I'm concerned.

[–] Mango 5 points 2 months ago

Needs more pihole.

[–] shadycomposer 4 points 2 months ago

Just avoid using them. Expecting free services without giving out anything is naive.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The reason is because your country doesn't have a GDPR

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

The main reason is because the vast majority of people do not care or lack foresight of where that trend has been taking us for over 17 years. Surely you have friends or family who do not care. I do.

[–] cucumber_sandwich 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

GDPR is EU legislation, noyb is an EU organisation. What are you talking about?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm talking about passing data privacy laws that make the concepot of the OP illegal, like GDPR.

[–] cucumber_sandwich 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Pay or okay is happening in the EU right now as well. At least in Germany...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sure, they'll get fined a few hundred million Euros for it, though

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

That’s…what the article is about. The pay or consent trend is starting in Europe because of EU laws that forced companies to give people an option to opt out of tracking. Now the EU is looking at another way to force tech companies to offer a realistic option for avoiding tracking.

It kinda seems like you didn’t read the article at all.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

It says the EU is deciding how much to fine these companies.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Read the article. It's about the EU.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Didn't read article: check

Mindless shitting on America: check

All we're missing is all rich people are bad!" And we would have hit the Lemmy trifecta.

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