any other instance allowing all the racist, homophobic and transphobic shit that gets posted on Threads would be unanimously defederated by the biggest players on the Fediverse, and blasted all over the network under the fediblock hashtag, but Meta somehow gets the pass because... more number mean gooder?
this post was submitted on 30 Mar 2024
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Exactly. Fedipact for the win!
all i see on mine (i just tried it this week) is cute videos, artist videos, life hack videos, and amazing videos. seriously. it’s a lot like discuit. i guess it’s all in what you follow.
I get this argument... but I keep seeing folks talk about Threads as if it's somehow an existential threat to Mastodon rather than "big crappy instance with asshats on it," and I don't quite understand how it's more than that... at least at a level that users and instance admins have any influence over. Can someone ELI5?
It's because Facebook has been pushing their PR saying "We're not an alt-right cesspit, we don't tolerate alt-right trolling" people including right wingers believe them and repeat these lies, then they proceed to turn a blind eye towards right wing trolling and bigotry because they know that most of their audience are right wingers themselves (I mean that should be obvious since Facebook is known as the boomer platform because all the young people left elsewhere).
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Fedi garden is just someone's website, they can put whatever they want on it. No big deal.
Yeah, I've never even heard of them before now and would have no particular reason to trust that what they mean by "good" servers aligns with what I'd consider "good" servers. This isn't like joinmastodon.org trying to strongarm instances to adopt their personal federation policy.
Even though I hate Meta, I can totally understand why admins are pissed at this change.
Yes, fuck meta
Are any major Lemmy or Mastodon instances in Fedi Garden?
I was looking through the site and didn't see any instances I recognized but they also nest everything so it takes like 3 clicks to see 2 severs.
Edit: By type looks like the easier way to see the entire list, which is not huge and I don't recognize any of the servers but I will admit I am not a big Mastodon person.
The person who runs it doesn't recommend Lemmy because of the political opinions of its main developers.
Kinda funny now given that Eugene of Mastodon has signed an NDA with Facebook.
It's funny how they can attack a software and all instances on it but turn a blind eye to the wrongdoings of the developers of the software they're using. It shows a lot of very personal and emotional bias, and also quite a bit of hypocrisy because they are basically saying to all the instances that use Lemmy that one can't use server software without agreeing with the developers, and yet they use Mastodon while fundamentally disagreeing with its developers.
Eugene of Mastodon has signed an NDA with Facebook.
Is this true? Where can I read more about it?
It's hard to give a direct source because he's deleted quite a bit but this thread has a screenshot.
Sounds like a purity spiral may be revving up.
No way! Little dictators exercising the power they have. But it is their platform, they can do what they want right?
This is probably the biggest threat to the fediverse.
Threads is the biggest threat to the Fediverse.
Lets ruin it so they can't!
Defederating from Meta won’t ruin it, it’ll protect it.
Bullying instance admins into aligning with your values is absolutely the type of behavior that will ruin this protocol.
Meta is evil and Threads is lame. And I can block them on my own, thank you.
"Not linking to you on my personal website is bullying"
Give it a fucking break precious.
Co-ordinated action is needed to fight back against billion dollar companies, not leaving it up to individuals.
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They are not threatening the fediverst though are they? Just refusing to promote certain instances for newcomers. When I signed up, i wasn't really sure what I was signing up to but i did assume that not all instances were listed on that page that talked about them
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Create your own instance and become your own little benevolent dictator.
The above is the core strength of the fediverse. Tinpot despots may have an advantage in the network due to previous efforts, but they can be routed around any time they go nuts.
This is a huge, huge win over the top down shitbergs that is current corporate social media.
I think this is true, but the fediverse (as an entity) needs to prevent too much power accumulating at one point.
It ebbs and flows. Full decentralization would be ideal, but unrealistic. Power always consolidates, until it suddenly doesnt. Making it easy to leave when it "suddenly doesnt" is key.
I am not in favor of transitive property defederation either but Meta will make similar demands if they are allowed to be an influencer in the fedi as well. I’d rather that everyone just decides to defederate threads independently
So admins are pissed because one of the more powerful (because rare) indexes has a spine.
Meta promoting hate doesnt fit the fediverse, plain and simple. Maybe people just get over themselves?
Now it is "has a spine", next time they arbitrairly decide to make up rules it won't be cool because they won't align with your worldview
I think this is consistent with their content policy aims, so that's fine. Meta will not easily ban Nazis, so I get where they're coming from. I don't think I personally would want to participate in this project if I was an admin though.
seems a big against the sprit of “let each instance choose.” al ost like having a corporation control the choices available.
While I would love for everyone to defederate from threads, strong-arming people is not the way.
How exactly is anyone being strong armed?
A single, privately run index site (which, to be clear, I have never even visited, let alone have any affiliation with) doesn't want to publicise certain instances.
If anything, forcing them to index instances they don't want to would be the strong-arming.
Yeah saying they have to list and recommend things they disagree with reeks highly of "freeze peach" principles as understood by right-wing-philosopher-clowns.
Yup, but only when it's something those clowns disagree with, like excluding Nazis or corporations.
Now, excluding people from protected groups, who need to be protected in the first place because of the groups the clowns endorse and defend, they're more than happy to fight for that..
And conveniently enough anyone who disagrees with them is a traitor they don't have to listen to, and voilà - built in shield against any criticism or the pointing out of just how massive their hypocrisy is..
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