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Why Poilievre Will Win | The Walrus (thewalrus.ca)
submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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No mention of the NDP. If only that was the "something different" people were willing to try.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 7 months ago (4 children)

People are mad, I don't blame them for being mad. I blame them for being stupid enough to think the Conservatives will make anything better.

We spent 11 years under Harper watching housing prices skyrocket too, even with the global housing collapse in the middle he still left prices 40% higher than when they started.

The conservatives are going to get 4 years, and they're going to spend the entire time blaming the fact that things are still getting worse on the Liberals. They may even get a second 4 years before people realize that the Conservatives also can't(or won't) fix the affordability problems.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago (2 children)

People are blaming the federal government for things that their elected premiers have caused. Just look at the provincial landscape, nearly all conservative premiers.

And premiers are the ones who affect our daily lives.

Yes, people are stupid. If more of them spent less time thinking about fucking Trudeau, maybe they'd see who's actually causing their hardships.

[–] Yaztromo 16 points 7 months ago

Truth being spoken here.

Yes, housing is expensive in Canada. The primary villain here? The Provincial governments. But they’re getting away with it scot-free while idiots blame “Trudope”.

Similar with the Climate levy. The biggest complaining Provinces have had years to put in their own carbon-pricing schemes to get out from under the Federal backstop, but decided to do nothing. Indeed, Alberta and Ontario had their own systems, but scrapped them because apparently they thought it was better to “blame Trudope” than to actually help their constituents by implementing carbon pricing schemes that would work for their needs.

And voters are letting the get away with it. And their lives won’t improve under Pollievre, because their Provincial leaders will keep pulling the same crap, and voters will continue to let them get away with it.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago

My favorite part comes in 6 years when the Conservatives have lost again and they're campaigning on all the problems they caused in heir tenure while blaming said problems on the Liberals.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

It's frustrating seeing conservative followers claim the the current government is lying to them based only on the lies they are hearing from conservative leaders.

Is no one capable of fact checking what they hear? It's exhausting hearing the same bogus statements over and over and over.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Harper implemented the points system for immigration. This caused house prices to skyrocket because only the wealthy were allowed into Canada and they can pay it. Then they buy up a bunch of houses and rent each room out to students to pay the mortgage and not have to work.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Squinty McProudBoy is your best bet for trump like policies in Canada. Privatized everything, including healthcare, and tax cuts for billionaires.. #SquintyMcProudBoy #trumpLite #bitcoinMilhouse

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Pierre Trudeau was written off for each of his last three elections. He ended up in power from 1968 until 1984, broken only by the 7 months of minority PC government under Clark.

The Liberals aren't campaigning, while PP has been burning cash in election mode for months. Once the writ is dropped, it's a completely different ball game. The Liberals were in third place behind the CPC and NDP when the writ was dropped in 2015. Campaigns matter.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Well, I partly blame the NDP too. They are not actually putting forth bold social-democratic policy proposals. Nothing to actually you know, inspire people to vote for them. Just peddling little adjustments here and there, terrified of being called socialists.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think you hit the nail on the head: the leadership of the NDP is terrified of being called socialists. A lot of them are Rae-era veterans and remember very clearly the utter ratfucking they took from the establishment, and they're desperately trying to appear "sensible" to appeal to our gatekeepers.

The problem is that they'll always be called socialists, no matter how much they try to appease the Very Serious People that run things. Floyd Laughren has a tale about this, where he & Rae met with the banks and larger businesses of Ontario with their fully-costed plans for the next four years, only to have the banks say "That's nice, but we're still going to destroy you". Mulcair went right of Trudeau in 2015 and they were still calling him a radical left Marxist socialists. Hell, they call Trudeau a radical leftists despite his being more right-wing, economically, than Mulroney.

Meanwhile, Conservatives can be as fundamentally unserious as they want, and are never held to account.

The NDP needs to stop ducking punches, stand up, and make the wealthy explain why giving them more tax cuts will somehow make things better. Co-opt the "Make ____ Great Again" slogan, but make it about marginal tax rates and being able to see a doctor same-day. And they should do it knowing that the wealthy will have a hissy fit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Make way for milennial socialists!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's been a month since they manage to get a first phase of a pharmacare bill passed.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

That's exactly what I'm calling tinkering at the edges.

We need plans for housing, for transit, for healthcare, for research and innovation, for the green transition, for climate adaptation, etc etc. The Conservatives are a disaster on all those fronts and the Liberals' plan is to have no plan and let things sort themselves out. The NDP? Where are the big ideas, the bold plans, the radical breaks with the unsustainable status quo? Pharmacare isn't it...

There was a few years ago something called the Leap Manifesto, which was in scope similar to the left US Democrats' "green new deal". A bold vision for the big changes we need to make. Not nitpicky details about this or that side issue that we are going to convince the big kids to kindly provide, but a Big Story why people should vote us in government. That's what I'm talking about.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

After the Reform party took over the Cons every party shifted one to the right

If you thought people voting Reform would swap to voting for social policies then I don’t know what to tell you but more Canadians are in favour of privatizing healthcare than against it (if you include want to try it but worried it might not be better)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Trudeau's government isn't a far right as the Chretien Liberals, let alone the Mulroney PCs.

People forget the cost cutting and devolution of healthcare and other programs that occurred under Chretien in the name of balancing the federal budget, a policy they kept right through the Chretien and Martin years.

They actively avoided getting into social policy reform as much as possible. For example, weed legalization was absolutely shot down by that government. In this aspect they were largely a care-taker government.

Trudeau has expanded public programs, legalized weed, prioritized diversity in cabinet, etc.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

prioritized diversity in cabinet

This doesn’t really mean anything, like his equal girls and boys shtick was just more right wing “wokeism” where they play around Gender having meaning and tokenism

Naturally we would have a more diverse cabinet due to demographics shifts and education

I will say anytime he has bad press he does come up with some left wing policy to change the narrative like his putting trans protections in the Charter. Even though they were already protected by it

[–] Son_of_dad 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I gave Trudeau multiple years of me holding my nose while voting for him. It's clear he has no idea and no interest about the struggles of Canadians, and how could he, he's never struggled financially in his life. If you're a citizen of another country suffering, Trudeau will move the earth to get you some help. But if you're a Canadian trying to make ends meet, fuck you. I would get more regard from my government if I wasn't Canadian.

The problem is if I vote for the ndp, I split the vote and this conservative fuck gets in power too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I seriously think the NDP and liberals should split ridings next election, just so they don't split the vote.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

My thoughts are that if the Conservatives are going to win anyway, why not give the NDP a chance to be the official opposition? Or hope that Liberals and NDP form a coalition to govern together and actually make changes to help Canadians.