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[โ€“] EdibleFriend 43 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Every time this comes up I'm going to say it... I think she did the right thing. It was a tough call with no innocent answer. Two lives versus one.

[โ€“] aeronmelon 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

[Janeway has sent you a friend request.]

[โ€“] Crackhappy 10 points 8 months ago

I agree with you, but it's still funny.

[โ€“] AtmaJnana 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

It's the trolley problem. Save two crew members or this new guy? I think her only moral obligation would be to try to find a way to save the new guy as well as her crew. But I haven't seen the episode yet, so maybe it was more complicated than that.

[โ€“] rivr 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

nah, it wasn't complicated and tbh she made a good choice - saved those two from a transporter malfunction. imo it was an interesting episode (unlike the dozens centered around holodeck) but in no way they'd replace tim and ethan characters with tom wright's tuvix; it was just a "what if" story and years later, it still propellers endless discussions

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I'm thinking more of the transplant problem: is it ethical to kill one person to harvest their organs to save five people who need various transplants to survive? It was a follow-up to the trolley problem to explore how something more active than flipping a switch affects people's answers. Plus there's a tie-in with the Vidiians.

Random aside: have you seen this video where Michael from Vsauce notes that no one had ever done a blind trial of the trolley problem, and goes about rectifying that? It's kinda wild

[โ€“] TheGrandNagus 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I guess the difference between this and the trolley dilemma is that at least in the trolley dilemma the rail with two people on it are alive.

Janeway killed one living being, who was crying on the ground pleading not to be murdered, to resurrect two that no longer existed.

So yeah, a bit more complicated than the trolley dilemma.

To be blunt, if Tuvix wasn't kinda ugly and weird looking, I suspect people would be less ok with his murder.

[โ€“] Cornelius_Wangenheim 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's more how quickly she made the choice. TNG writers would have had Picard at least talk it over with Riker or make some kind of speech justifying it.

[โ€“] EdibleFriend 6 points 8 months ago

Thats because hes some tea sucking BritFrench. She's a coffee drinking AMERICAN who gets shit done.

[โ€“] RizzRustbolt 6 points 8 months ago

"The only good Cardassian is a dead Cardassian."

[โ€“] spittingimage 4 points 8 months ago

"Let's murder Tuvix in personal combat!"