this post was submitted on 10 Jul 2023
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Fuck Subscriptions

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Naming and shaming all "recurring spending models" where a one-time fee (or none at all) would be appropriate and logical.

Expect use of strong language.

Follow the basic rules of lemmy.world and common sense, and try to have fun if possible.

No flamewars or attacking other users, unless they're spineless corporate shills.

Note that not all subscriptions are awful. Supporting your favorite ~~camgirl~~ creator or Lemmy server on Patreon is fine. An airbag with subscription is irl Idiocracy-level dystopian bullshit.

New community rule: Shilling for cunty corporations, their subscriptions and other anti-customer practices may result in a 1-day ban. It's so you can think about what it's like when someone can randomly decide what you can and can't use, based on some arbitrary rules. Oh what, you didn't read this fine print? You should read what you're agreeing to.

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Some other groovy communities for those who wish to own their products, their data and their life:

Right to Repair/Ownership

Hedges Development

Privacy

Privacy Guides

DeGoogle Yourself

F-Droid

Stallman Was Right

Some other useful links:

FreeMediaHeckYeah

Louis Rossman's YouTube channel

Look at content hosted at Big Tech without most of the nonsense:

Piped

Invidious

Nitter

Teddit

 

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[–] jwagner7813 25 points 1 year ago

If these damned companies would stop relying on this stupid sub model and just offer decent products at a decent price and not worry about neverending growth, this wouldn't be a fucking problem. God I hate the way shit is going.

[–] CriticalMiss 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Assuming I don't want to buy an Epson printer from the late 90s, what are some actual options for DRM free no subscription printer? Or the entire industry is fucked?

[–] WhoRoger 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Last time I checked, Brother was still the best brand for no nonsense, cheap printers, even with good Linux support. I have a laser printer from them.

Not sure if it's still the case.

As for an ink printer... Man good luck with that.

[–] average650 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just bought a brother printer. Works great with Linux, no extra BS. Love it.

As far as I can tell, it's literally the same thing I bought almost 10 years ago. Which, I mean, is fine. I don't need anything more.

[–] drh 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] average650 6 points 1 year ago

HL-L230D

It's monochrome, but in every other way all I could want

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

my canon mf3010 lazer printer pretty decent i guess.
i mean it works, even with linux and even my phone over an usb otg adapter, scanner is a but quirky and hard to get working in windows
it got no bullshit like wifi and stuff

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Get a laser printer.

[–] Katana314 4 points 1 year ago

Brother might be the best there is, but I still had issues with ink continually drying out. Check with your local library. Mine allows me to print more pages than I need each day for free; I just bring a thumb drive with me out there. Considering how much clutter I avoid at home, it's preferred in my case.

[–] BilboBargains 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wanna meet the engineer who designs devices to do this kind of thing. Like the people who work for apple and deliberately create proprietary interfaces and closed systems. Planned obsolescence. Machines that can't be reused and end up in landfill. These people have received a technical education. Isn't this way of creating technology obviously unsustainable to a highly educated person?

[–] WhoRoger 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm wondering the same when I'm watching disassembly videos. So much of that stuff is obviously deliberately made to be unrepairable. Like charging ports soldered onto the motherboard. Never mind glued in batteries that you almost can't replace without destroying the screen. Soft screws that fall apart. And little details too, like layouts pointlessly changing with every model so you can't use your knowledge from a year ago, or use the same parts even for the most trivial things.

No sane designer can desire that.

It comes from the top. CEOs, marketing, sales. Sell more shit. Convince people to buy more shit by inconveniencing them.

Corporations are cancer.

[–] BilboBargains 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's the only way that makes any sense. Some machines are designed for profit and profit alone. That is the legal obligation of a corporation. Some of the choices I've noticed even seem to go beyond profit and are anti-people. I was creating a wireless access point to extend a home network. Found a British Telecom router, seemed ideal. The firmware was locked out for use with BT only. Raspberry pi, on the other hand, configured in minutes for the task. RPI is a good example of how to design a sustainable machine. I believe they still make profit but it hasn't interfered with their ethical compass.

[–] WhoRoger 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have to admit, I do hate the "companies need to make money" argument. It's true of course, but the other half is that customers need to get a good product.

Unfortunately people aren't smart customers. We've even happily accepted the "consumer" designation instead. And that really says everything.

If customers won't stop buying products that are deliberately designed to fuck with them, then that's what the companies will do. It's a downhill slope too, like with the batteries example.

You give company a finger because "it needs to make money" or you just don't care enough, they'll take the whole arm.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's okay for companies to make money. But the problem right now is that simply making profit isn't acceptable for shareholders. You need to make the maximum profit possible and keep it growing.

So here we are right now with subscription based printer.

[–] WhoRoger 2 points 1 year ago

Yea, and what I mean is that customers should reject this crap and not buy such products. But we know that only a few actually care, most will just get dragged along, and eventually they'll wear us down and subscription ink and whatever other nonsense will be normalised.

It's always like that. Look how hard have videogames devolved into just being monetisation schemes in the last couple years.

[–] BilboBargains 2 points 1 year ago

Totally agree. The solution is a mix of factors. Customers should understand what they are getting into when they buy something. Part of that is general education level but also product information. Regulations are a last resort and a necessary evil. A good example is the fight against producers of farm machinery. Farmers tend to maintain their machines DIY but the manufacturers are producing machines that cannot be maintained except at great cost by the dealerships. This came to court in the form of a 'right to repair' campaign and who should turn up at the hearings? The undisputed champion and final boss of closed, proprietary systems, Apple.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Heartwarming but damn, fuck you HP

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

What a legend

[–] luis123456 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is why having multiple numbers, email addresses and false data is ok to me.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My mother bought this HP shit behind my back and asked me to install it. Even though I work in IT in a publicly listed corporation, I fucking couldn't do it without creating any accounts. I asked her to return that shit.

HP smart printers are vile and predatory.

[–] WhoRoger 8 points 1 year ago

Some time ago I borrowed a HP scanner from a friend. It was a big old thing, probably from the early 2000's. The driver package was about a gigabyte of all kinds of bloatware, absolutely incredible. I extracted the two driver files I needed, worked without a problem.

Can't imagine the crap this stuff has to come with now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don’t tell Louis Rossman about this one

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think he knows already, he made some videos about HP in the past and crappy DRM...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It was a joke

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I look forward to the day when I need a subscription to use my kitchen sink.

[–] WhoRoger 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] darvocet 3 points 1 year ago

Wow, I guess there is still hope for humanity.

[–] Tenthrow 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah I have an Ember mug sitting in a cabinet somewhere. It was neat for a couple weeks then you realize how freaking dumb it is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Other than the price-tag, what don't you like about yours?

[–] Tenthrow 5 points 1 year ago

The battery life (on mine at least) was bad. The saucer part (which is the charger) broke on me twice. The pogo pins that connect to the contact ring on the bottom of the mug broke. It was often a crapshoot whether the mug would connect with the app on my phone.Which was a pain in the ass to have to use the app all the time to make changes to the temp (or see what temp you were at) and I actually discovered the I like the way the flavor and of coffee (and especially tea) change gradually as they cool (this isn't a fault of the mug of course) and having the liquid always be hot robs you of that gradual flavor change (especially with tea). I also found the coffee to have a strong cooked flavor if you had to walk away and stop drinking it for a while. I also found it annoying to have to hand wash the mug every day (instead of throwing it in the dishwasher and grabbing a new one). And at the end of the day, since it was a corded object. You always had, at the very least, a saucer with a cable coming out of it running across your desk whether you were wanting to use the mug or not.

TL;DR; it's a fun novelty, but so much more hassle than just using a normal coffee cup. Also, had some quality issues with mine.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

TIL why I don't buy HP printers anymore.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, HP sells a subscription though. They are one step ahead here.

[–] kratoz29 2 points 1 year ago

I hope he gets this sorted!