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I’m not trying to destroy art, says man planning to do just that if Assange dies in jail (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] Chainweasel 101 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

He paid for it, it's his art to destroy now.
If you don't like that, or think I'm being insensitive, then maybe we shouldn't let rich people buy and hoard art.
If they're culturally or historically important, why are they in a private collection?
Is it sad to see? Yes, absolutely. But not any more sad than it falling into the hands of a private collector in the first place.

[–] youngGoku 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Agreed 100%.

Also Assange is a whistleblower and is in jail for it... Sad.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Assange is not really a whistleblower... He's a journalist who published the content whistleblowers gave him

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

More like an editor, even. Making the persecution just so much sadder.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Fuck Assange, he worked with the right wing to get Trump elected, not an impartial leaker, not a journalist, not a whistleblower, he's a right wing shill:

A week after Guccifer 2.0 appeared online, WikiLeaks sent the persona a message saying to "send any new material here for us to review and it will have a much higher impact than what you are doing."[52] After not receiving a reply, on July 6, 2016 WikiLeaks sent another message that said "if you have anything hillary related we want it in the next tweo [sic] days prefable [sic] because the DNC is approaching and she will solidify bernie supporters behind her after." Guccifer 2.0 responded "ok ... i see," and WikiLeaks added "we think trump has only a 25% chance of winning against hillary ... so conflict between bernie and hillary is interesting."[53][54] On July 14, 2016 Guccifer 2.0 sent WikiLeaks an email with an encrypted attachment labeled "wk dnc link1.txt.gpg."[55] According to the indictment, the email explained that "the encrypted file contained instructions on how to access an online archive of stolen DNC documents."[52]
Four days later, WikiLeaks responded that it had received "the 1Gb or so archive" and would release the files that week.[52] The DNC emails were released several days later.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guccifer_2.0

[–] yamanii -2 points 1 year ago

Calm down glowie, everyone hates your 3 letter agencies, not just Assange.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@DarkGamer just to be clear are you arguing that this means he should be subject to solitary confinement and other treatments the US govt likes to mete out to suspected terrorists etc?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm arguing that I have no sympathies remaining for the man. he seems good at alienating others and is on the wrong side of history.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

@DarkGamer yes I get that part.

The bit I'm asking you about is whether that means that it's okay for him (or anyone else you have no sympathy for) to be subjected to these kinds of treatment.

[+] [email protected] -17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If they’re culturally or historically important, why are they in a private collection?

That's a really, really crap argument that is permissive of all kinds of cultural genocide. A LOT of artwork is in private collections that by no right should be. I make no claims about this guy's collection, but the mere fact that it is being bought and sold has no bearing. After all, I live in country that used to "legally" buy and sell people.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Read more than the first sentence of the comment.

[–] mulcahey 6 points 1 year ago

I'm sorry, I'm having difficulty following your point.

That's a really, really crap argument that is permissive of all kinds of cultural genocide.

Isn't it the opposite? He's arguing that work of cultural importance should NOT be in private hands. You might say, "Who gets to determine what's culturally significant? And why do we trust governments to do a better job than private collectors?" Those are fair questions, I think, but then I get lost again:

A LOT of artwork is in private collections that by no right should be.

Right, that's what he's arguing too.

I live in country that used to "legally" buy and sell people.

Ok, so... You acknowledge that just because it's legal to trade in something, doesn't mean that it's moral or ethical. So is that also true of culturally-significant artwork?

See why I'm confused as to your argument?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

“I’m not trying to destroy art, and I don’t believe I will have to,” Molodkin told the Guardian, adding that the project, called Dead Man’s Switch, was itself a collaborative artwork like any sculpture or portrait.

Dammit why do I see his point?

[–] yamanii 22 points 1 year ago

Instead, the artist added, he is trying to spark a discussion over why “destroying the life of people means nothing but destroying art is a huge taboo in the world”.

Let him cook.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Well, yeah, he could destroy the art whenever he wants. He doesn't have to try at all.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I very seldom like installation art but this project has merit. Good for him.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Is someone high up in the decision making process a huge art lover or something? It seems like he is just setting fire to a huge pile of money otherwise.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago

He's planning to try and destroy art? What a poorly worded headline...