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The US has warned that Russia could seize Ukraine's key eastern town of Avdiivka - the scene of some of the fiercest fighting in recent months.

"Avdiivka is at risk of falling into Russian control," National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said, citing Ukraine's ammunition shortages.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky vowed to do everything to "save as many Ukrainian lives as possible".

Russian troops have made gains in Avdiivka, threatening to encircle it.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Seems like lack of supplies is a major factor here so congratulations to US Republicans for their work to help Putin secure this political victory before the election. Absolutely vile.

[–] muntedcrocodile 19 points 10 months ago

Hang em for treason

[–] ghostdoggtv 53 points 10 months ago

Ukraine has to ration artillery shells because Republicans got outplayed on the border deal for the benefit of Donald Trump. Fuck America and thank the GOP for it.

[–] Burn_The_Right 33 points 10 months ago (1 children)

When you see your conservative co-workers, neighbors and relatives, remember that they did this.

The genocides in Ukraine, Gaza and eleswhere are planned, committed and celebrated by conservatives. The planet is overheating, the vulnerable are oppressed and entire families are being murdered all because of conservatives. The murder and destruction will continue as long as conservatives are able to make it continue.

Remember this when you see them in your daily life. Remember they are the source of this.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Annoying and sad if it happens, but it offers Russia little or no strategic value in the grand scheme of the war. It really only serves as a propaganda piece in an already rigged election. As long as the soldiers occupying the city are able to retreat before they're encircled and destroyed, things will be okay.

[–] nevemsenki 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Avdiivka is actually fairly important, unlike Bakhmut. It was both a transportation hub and (one of) the most reinforced part of the frontline.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I appreciate your opinion on the matter, but I am still going to choose to trust the professional war analysts at ISW who have this to say about Avdiivka.

The potential Russian capture of Avdiivka would not be operationally significant and would likely only offer the Kremlin immediate informational and political victories. Russian forces have been conducting offensive operations to capture Avdiivka since the beginning of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022 and Avdiivka has been a notable Ukrainian strongpoint defensive position since the Russian invasion in 2014.[11] Russian forces began a localized offensive operation to capture Avdiivka in October 2023 and only recently began to make tactical progress through the settlement after months of costly infantry assaults and waves of mass mechanized attacks.[12] Avdiivka is a small settlement with a pre-war population of roughly 31,000 people and offers Russian forces limited avenues for future advance.[13] (Bakhmut had a pre-invasion population of 70,000 people, in comparison.) Ukrainian forces have long fortified many of the surrounding settlements, which Russian forces are also struggling to capture, and subsequent Ukrainian positions west and north of Avdiivka are likely similarly fortified.[14] The nearest relatively large settlements in the area are at least 30 kilometers west of Avdiivka, and Russian forces have not shown that they can conduct the rapid mechanized forward movement that would be required to reach these settlements in the near or even medium-term.[15] Russian forces have expended a considerable amount of manpower and materiel on their effort to capture Avdiivka and will likely need to engage in a prolonged period of consolidation, reconstitution, and rest before attempting a further concerted offensive effort in the area.[16] Russian forces would be highly unlikely to make rapid operationally significant advances from Avdiivka if they captured the settlement, and the potential Russian capture of Avdiivka at most would set conditions for further limited tactical gains.

[–] nevemsenki 8 points 10 months ago

Eh, this is what Ukrainians say on this matter.

“Avdiivka is important for them to control the space around Donetsk, you have control of dominant heights there, and they can build logistics corridors to supply a large area of the front,” said Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to president Volodymyr Zelenskiy, in an interview in Kyiv earlier this month, explaining the importance of holding on to Avdiivka. “This is not about symbolism, this is about the operative importance of a particular territory,” he added.

From https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/16/ukrainian-forces-give-up-some-positions-in-avdiivka-as-russian-assault-continues

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


"Avdiivka is at risk of falling into Russian control," National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said, citing Ukraine's ammunition shortages.

Earlier this week, the US Senate approved a $95bn (£75bn) foreign aid package - including $60bn for Ukraine - after months of political wrangling, but it faces an uphill battle in the House of Representatives.

Ukraine is critically dependent on weapons supplies from the US and other Western allies to be able to continue fighting Russia - a much bigger military force with an abundance of artillery ammunition.

Nato Secretary General Jen Stoltenberg warned on Thursday that the US failure to approve continued military assistance to Ukraine was already having an impact on the battlefield.

On Friday, Mr Zelensky is visiting Berlin and Paris where is expected to sign security pacts with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and French President Emmanuel Macron.

"We're upset," Ukrainian officer Oleksii, from Ukraine's 110th Mechanised Brigade in the Avdiivka area, told the BBC earlier this week, standing beside a huge mobile artillery piece as Russian guns boomed in the distance.


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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I really don't think territory is that imporrant. It's important to crush the russians and later force them out. let them rule over ghost towns until it's time to strike back.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Innocent peoples entire lives are in that town.

Russia may rule over ghosts but those ghosts were innocent.