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submitted 9 months ago by TokenBoomer to c/politicalmemes

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago (5 children)

I think it's important for liberals to realize that the far-right is fully represented by and actively appealed to by the GOP, while the entirety of the left is forced to fall in line with a center-right candidate or a far-right candidate.

Obviously, the center-right candidate is better than the far-right candidate, but liberals have been doing an awful job of actively appealing to leftists. Fascists line up with glee to vote for their favorite demon, while leftists have to vote for someone that doesn't represent their views at all, just not someone doing even more harm.

What would be better is if the democrat party actually threw a bone to leftists. Pass Medicare for all, for example. Instead, we are stuck with voting out of fear, rather than voting for something.

[–] gennygameshark 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

As someone on the left, explain to me what we're supposed to be doing to appeal to folks on the right, earnestly. Seems like every time Dems want to throw Republicans a bone they torpedo it themselves - border deal much?

Have those on the left considered for a moment that their entire political party in America has been hijacked by people who are actually trying to take everyone's rights away? Been told by the left "fuck your feelings" for quite some time, but no things aren't perfect for their group, burn the whole thing down?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Makes a massive legislative priority out of the ACA, aiming for genuine reform and then after extensively having the original pared back within our neoliberal hellscape, still manages to somehow pass a substantial reform which gets health insurance to a huge number of people, and defends it against multiple serious attempts to murder even that fairly corporate-friendly system which in DC politics is somehow akin to the Cultural Revolution
"Waaaaaaa! I wanted medicare for all."

Makes comprehensive immigration reform a key priority, bringing the number of removals + returns down from about 1.2 million in 2008, to around 430,000 in 2016, i.e. a huge number more people are able to stay in the country. DACA provides key protections for one of the most important categories of "illegal" immigrant who we shouldn't be kicking out. Also, the number in the "removals" column goes up.
"WAAAAAAAA DEPORTER IN CHIEF DEPORTER IN CHIEF"

Student loan forgiveness infrastructure act gun reform federal marijuana pardons, also no fascist dictatorship
"Too old, do not want, not left enough."

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (34 children)

-liberal attempts at reform without radical change

-more liberal attempts at reform without radical change

Again, none of this is actually to the left, it's still liberalism and still center-right. For people who believe the system itself is fucked and needs to be restructured, of course moderate reform isn't going to be enough.

You're proving my point. Biden is decent for a liberal, at being a liberal. That is not a leftist. Trump is great at being a fascist, and fascists love to vote for him. Leftists have to bite their tongues and fall in line with a moderate right winger that will never attempt to appeal to them.

Did you even read my comment?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

Leftists have been saying for literal decades how the modern measures of economic outlook -unemployment, total job numbers, stock market profitability, ect - are designed to misrepresent or ignore the actual economic outlook of working-class americans.

It's crazy to me that now that a growing portion of the public are seeing the misalignment of those measures, it's suddenly the fault of leftists that the democratic party is loosing support because 'we're being uncharitable to Biden's achievements'.

Democrats are pointing the metrics republicans have been using for 50 years to advocate for their reactionary policy and saying to moderate republicans 'look! we're working toward the same goals!', and yet somehow leftists are supposed to give democrats credit for working within the limits of those metrics that are designed to undermine working-class interests?

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Wait is this implying that tankies want trump to win? I mean wouldn't be surprising since they already support every other genocidal maniac in the world but man

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (2 children)

There's been a moderate-sized influx of supposed good leftists who all of a sudden are very concerned with spreading the message that both parties are basically the same, and voting won't change anything. I won't say all of them are fake Trump-promoted social media shills, but I definitely believe some nonzero number of them are that.

[–] TexasDrunk 5 points 9 months ago

I've even noticed them around here, asking with some who claim to be left but will comment on how bad Joe is on articles about TFG.

[–] Clent 4 points 9 months ago

Don't forget that Russia pays people to do this subterfuge shit and Russia desperately needs Trump to win.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They want him to win because they want the whole place to burn down.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I have no way of knowing, but I think it's honestly way simpler than that. I think people on the left who are relentlessly shitting on Biden are pretty much made up of X percent shills and (100-X) percent people who have been taken in by shills.

It would be easier, more productive, and safer to hold up some particular other Democrat as the one that we should be supporting instead of Biden, if the goal was a better Democratic nominee who didn't have all these problems they're so nail-bitingly concerned will hurt Biden in the election with Trump, which is leading to them innocently trying to help by shitting on him. I've literally never once heard them say a productive solution along those lines, though. Nope, just that Biden is bad.

Also, they keep insisting that voting won't accomplish anything, and direct action is needed instead, because the system is irrevocably broken. I have asked many of them, with genuine interest and motivation to help, what direct action I can do, because I also think direct action (on behalf of Gaza for example) sounds great. Guess how many answers I've gotten.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Direct action is when you obstruct or threaten to act against a target group's interest or influence in order to pressure them into concessions.

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