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[–] JoeKrogan 60 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

They are thinking we'll turn all of those PS users into gamepass customers. We will ship the next console as a cheap SBC with a gamepass subscription. They solve piracy, manufacturing and shipping costs and bend the customers over a barrell in one move.

Sony will be forced to do away with discs too to stay competitive. MS will be able to claim they are multiplatform in the face of the legal issues and that they are for preservation because they will have a select few titles.

The players will own nothing and the prices will eventually increase.

Do yourself a favor and horde as many roms as you can now. Support gog and steam as alternatives to gamepass.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And just wait until they pull a Nintendo and just stop having stuff in their catalogue...

Oh that game you remember from your childhood? Lost to time, go fuck yourself, corporate profits come before nostalgia or even accurate human history.

[–] johnlobo -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] RIP_Cheems 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

NO. NINTENDO BAD. Nintendo make my 3ds stop working despite it still being around.

[–] johnlobo 3 points 10 months ago

🤣🤣 nintendo sound like a dog

[–] thorbot -3 points 10 months ago

Nintendo bad! All my Nintendo products said so! I love the cognitive dissonance in this comment

[–] sebinspace 5 points 10 months ago

Vimm is :goat:

[–] aksdb 5 points 10 months ago

If they believe the amount of people with reliable (!) broadband connections with good enough peering to their data centers is as big as the customer base owning an xbox, they might have an ugly awakening.

Most people will not move just to get a better latency that can still suffer from external influences. Waiting in a queue because the available machines in your nearest data center are all in use because it's a holiday and everyone is gaming also gets old fast.

[–] RGB3x3 53 points 10 months ago (5 children)

This whole thing is so bizarre to me. People have complained endlessly over the years about game console exclusivity. I personally think it's bad for the consumer.

And now that MS is talking about putting their experiences on other platforms, people are upset with them? That they've somehow lost their way, that the brand is dying?

Seriously, have I lost my mind? What's going on?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

And now that MS is talking about putting their experiences on other platforms, people are upset with them? That they've somehow lost their way, that the brand is dying?

Those people are "invested" in the xbox eco system I would assume

[–] thorbot 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Naw fam. I have an Xbox series X and game pass and I’m ecstatic to hear that Microsoft may be doing this. This will buy them the good will of all gamers and they know it. Fucking Chad move by MSFT if true.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

I think he was referring to people angry or disappointed by Microsoft's move

[–] uberkalden 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't get this take. Good will doesn't keep the platform alive. If you want Xbox to survive they need good exclusive games. Otherwise it's already over. No one buys the hardware, and then no one buys gamepass. Sony is out selling 2:1 right now. Want to guess what that looks like if people can play everything on a PlayStation?

[–] thorbot 1 points 10 months ago

Nope. Just good games. Doesn’t have to be exclusive

[–] uberkalden 2 points 10 months ago

Yes. Basically, our investment is tanking and it sucks. If I could go back, I'd just have bought a PS5. Oh well. It's better for everyone else I guess

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

I think it's not the same people. People who complain about console exclusives generally aren't the same people who buy into console war bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Yeah, in the long run this could be good for the industry.

That said, if I'd bought a series x on the promise of many years of high quality exclusives (a promise Xbox explicitly made) I would probably be a bit upset in the now...

It's shaping up that a ps5 is gonna be just the flatly superior console, and Xbox owners will be stuck holding the bag

[–] Crystal_Shards64 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I'm only nervous that Microsoft will stop developing Xbox's. If we're eventually forced to move to a digital only system, I want some kind of guarantee that customers can always access the games they paid for. Otherwise I think sharing games with other consoles is a great idea as long as the added development doesn't eat into the games overall quality

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

This one is simple! You see, they stop selling games to their customers. Instead, you can get monthly access to their catalogue of games. Then you don't have to worry about owning them. Sometimes less (for you) is more (for them).

[–] uberkalden -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We're upset because we would have just bought a PS5 if they were going to do this. Otherwise, I'm happy for the PS folks.

[–] RGB3x3 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Personally, I prefer the Xbox platform over PlayStation's. I've been on it so long that I'd hate to lose all my purchases and progress on everything.

[–] uberkalden 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I do too, but if you could go back a year or 2 and buy a PS5 knowing this would happen, wouldn't you?

[–] RGB3x3 1 points 10 months ago

Not really. Don't get me wrong, I'm jealous of the PS exclusives, but I've gotten more value out of Game Pass than I would have out of a PlayStation over those years.

Now if Game Pass ends up on PlayStation by some miracle, I'll be jumping ship.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago

The 21st century has been repeated instances of "the man behind the curtain" getting completely caught in the curtain, yanking it down, causing a small fire, pissing himself a little bit, and then standing up, waving his hands and yelling at the gathering crowd "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" while the fire begins to grow.

The world wouldn't be so frustrating if it wasn't so clear that so much of leadership (corporate, especially so) has no fucking clue what they're doing, certainly no more in depth clue than their own workforce, and they've been coasting on things like stock buybacks for the better part of three decades. They continuously fail but they use their absolutely massive wealth to constantly shield themselves from liability, or any responsibility really, from their near-constant fuck-ups that piss off consumers, poison the environment, and harm workers.

Anyway, much like with their constant fucking-with-the-consumer on Windows 11, they're just barrelling down the "fuck the people who invested in our hardware ecosystem" path because "fuck consumers, amirite?" They mostly cater to other businesses now, which is part of why it's a lot easier/cheaper to get a Windows license than it used to be (although that's been changing). This is the same with so many businesses now, they mostly just serve... other businesses, that's where the real money is... because they've bled the US consumer dry and so they're prioritizing corporate clients, who have deep coffers.

It's much like what's going on at Warner Bros, where shitcanning a movie and deleting it entirely is more "cost-effective" to a movie studio than releasing it. They don't give one flying fuck how much it pisses of consumers or the people who made it, all they're worried about is the numbers in WB's and their own bank accounts. They couldn't give less of a fuck about what's in consumers bank accounts or the laborers and artists who made the films bank accounts.

They've fully insulated themselves, the aristocracy never left. They just use the power of money to control and influence the power of the State instead of being a King themselves. They're simply dictators of their own little feifdoms.

The worst part is how many of The Aristocrats live up to the worst versions of the joke.

[–] NOT_RICK 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I find these kinds of articles fairly useless until Microsoft announces what their actual plans are. Until then we’re all just speculating based on one tweet from Phil Spencer and some unverified rumors.

[–] radix 13 points 10 months ago

It's all about publishing something, even if it's hollow click bait.

[–] Cybersteel 1 points 10 months ago

Insider trading

[–] GlitterInfection 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Xbox is a brand. It isn't sentient at all, let alone capable of thought.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's common in English to refer to a collective like a company or government as though it were an individual. I think it's just a simple short hand really.

Eg "The whitehouse said today...." We know that the whitehouse (a building) doesn't have the power of speech and that really means "a whitehouse spokesperson working in an official capacity on behalf of the government said today".

Really the headline should be something along the lines of "what, exactly, are Xbox business strategists thinking?" But because of the common knowledge of how this shorthand works they can just use the headline they did.

There's probably a fancy linguistic name for it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] GlitterInfection 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Sure. It's also pretty common as a joke format to respond to something one way when you know it was meant to be taken in a different way.

In English we used to call it the old switcheroo, but my comment is a pretty lame example of one.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Fair. It's hard to know sometimes if someone has English as a first or second language. People can be really technically good, but then not understand more subtle cultural things.

Never know maybe both of our comments will help some people.

[–] GlitterInfection 2 points 10 months ago

Agreed. I appreciate that you went in for the explanation, BTW. It's nice to see helpful people on here.

[–] thorbot 5 points 10 months ago

Yeah. There’s no way they could have meant the team of people at Xbox. No way.

[–] TheDarkKnight 1 points 10 months ago

MS is thinking it helps their legal argument if the FTC comes sniffing around their 2k layoffs from Activision/Blizzard