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[–] [email protected] 304 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I really don't like that the graphs aren't across the same period of time.

[–] sharkwellington 117 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I didn't notice until you pointed it out. Because why wouldn't they be??

[–] [email protected] 53 points 10 months ago

Because there's lies, damned lies, and statistics...

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago

Presumably they are starting wherever the trend "started", although I'd like to see what it was doing before that to see if this is an unusual trend or not

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[–] [email protected] 120 points 10 months ago (10 children)

Oh boy liberal vs conservative, what a wide variety of political opinion allowed for by the "financial times"

[–] [email protected] 62 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I don't think they use the definition of liberal that you think they're using.

[–] Telodzrum 43 points 10 months ago (25 children)

They’re not, this is the traditional polling version of liberal vs. conservative — the one that everyone who is not terminally online uses and can understand as it has been around for over a century.

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 10 months ago (6 children)

I don't know about beautiful data. That's scary data :/

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s only beautiful in that is well visualized. The data itself is scary.

[–] qaz 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The graps don’t represent the same amount of time while they are there for comparison. I wouldn’t call that well visualized.

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[–] njm1314 104 points 10 months ago (18 children)

Is this American liberal or real liberal?

[–] [email protected] 63 points 10 months ago

It’s Burgerland liberal, which is center-left to right. Burgerland conservative is right to fash.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 10 months ago (85 children)

not surprising. the american right is specifically catered to address male grievances.

[–] EuroNutellaMan 51 points 10 months ago (1 children)

not fix these grievances mind you, but exploit them

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (13 children)

Here in South Korea - Both the liberal and conservative party are very conservative. It wasn't until 10-15 years ago that women could even be the "leader" of the house. So the delta in conservative/liberal is more likely to do with economic/war policies with the North than much else (since men get conscripted, and North policies is one of the key differentiators between the 2 parties)

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 10 months ago

shcoking, women arent a fan en masse of being 'tradwifes' to tate blowhards

[–] [email protected] 60 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This data is poorly presented and unclear. It may well have some really useful insights, but it's definitely not beautiful.

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[–] Shard 59 points 10 months ago (3 children)

This data is anything but beautiful. Its horrendously laid out. Not intuitive in the slightest.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 10 months ago

Oh good, I'm better than the average man in something.

[–] Maggoty 46 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

This is an opinion piece they are really really reaching with.

Conservatives have been running this for a few days now but it just doesn't add up. At least for the US it flies in the face of all published polling, including what they claim as sources. Unless you look at Gen Z men skewing independent and take that as them becoming more conservative because you only see the political spectrum as D/I/M.

But that's not what being an independent means. It isn't a party. It's literally not having a party.

I forgot to add, there's also the Roe effect. The overturning of Roe has pushed women left in the US.

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[–] DreamAccountant 44 points 10 months ago (24 children)

Until there's a liberal space for men, it's going to cause them to flock to lying conservatives. There, they will be indoctrinated by weird, stupid conservative bullshit that has nothing to do with any of this.

[–] [email protected] 94 points 10 months ago (6 children)

The left is the only place that is safe to open up as a man.

The right is only safe if you fit a very specific definition of manliness, one that is unrealistic. However that illusion sends millions of the gullible and impressionable chasing after an unobtainable standard.

On the far-right you'll get punched if you like making caramel and baking cakes. The close right just calls you a slur instead.

There are few things more alienating to the wide range of male expression than the right wing.

I grew up as a conservative and was never accepted. Opening up, being emotionally vulnerable, expressing "feminine" (ie non traditional) interests: every time it lost me any sort of male friendship. I was excluded, mocked and called homophobic slurs.

I'm a cisgender straight white man but because I was a square peg to their traditional round hole I was an outcast.

The right is the cause of male depression and loneliness. It enforces the gender norms that make men feel they have to be a rock, provide for family, die for their country, shut up about their feelings.

The only safe place for men to open up is on the left.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 10 months ago (2 children)

There isn’t? Millions of liberal men can man just fine every day just out in public.

What are you missing?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (15 children)

So you don’t think there are any issues with how men are treated on the left?

As progressive as the left can be, men have been left behind and are still often expected to ‘just be a man’, while dealing with double standards and sometimes being treated like they’re inherently bad.

Edit: Copying what vzq has said to me for visibility, as this is the exact problem. Do I sound like the angry toddler in this discussion?

“I want to be treated fairly and based on how I act, and yet I don’t get that.” You are being treated based on how act. You act like a spoiled toddler that thinks he’s owed some consideration by strangers.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I believe these issues exist in some places in the world like the usa.

Personally as a cis man i dont experience these issues at all. I am more radical left leaning then my sisters.

The right just appear like some intolerant macho cult. They are the last people i would feel safe.

It has to be set though I recognize many fellow men do exhibit this weird macho psychology as well as laziness and illusion that they somehow know me or what i want. I never consider that to have political grounds.

If i have a choice to interact with either sex i am Biased to chose the women because i feel like there actually perceive and speak to me as individual rather then pretending i am their best friend cardboard cutout.

In my experience women are more honest as sales people and more helpfull as a frontdesk clerk. This is bias and exceptions exist. I myself am an exceptions. Statistical perception though…

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[–] Rookwood 26 points 10 months ago (31 children)

What is a liberal space for men? That means nothing.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And I don't like how sparse the data points are but they went with a wobbly interpolated curve anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago

I personally don't like how the top left one starts at 2005, unlike every other graph, but they all have the same x scale. (I nitpick things sometimes)

[–] Ackerthegod 19 points 10 months ago

They missed the chance to rotate these graphs vertically..

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Is it just me or are those the typical US-centric terms! If so, I'd trust those numbers even less than I already do because they moved the timespans between the graphs.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

Looks like the constant insidious propaganda is working as expected.

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