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[–] [email protected] 71 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Here in South Korea - Both the liberal and conservative party are very conservative. It wasn't until 10-15 years ago that women could even be the "leader" of the house. So the delta in conservative/liberal is more likely to do with economic/war policies with the North than much else (since men get conscripted, and North policies is one of the key differentiators between the 2 parties)

[–] Dasnap 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Wouldn't it be men making the decision on conscription policies though? A more liberal / less sexist government would be more likely to bin that.

The key difference I tend to see between men and women's issues is that men's issues are often caused by other men in power. Feminism, ironically enough, can also help with a lot of problems disenfranchised men have.

Sorry I'm rambling a bit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Sooooo yes, everything you said is correct, but there's a missing piece of context: binning the military would mean binning South Korea as we know it, so nobody (liberal or conservative) is in favor of binning it. The lines are much more murky.

[–] Hawke 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Binning a sexist conscription system is not anything close to “binning the military”

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It very literally is, in South Korea's case.

[–] Hawke 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

How so?

Beginning to conscript women as well as men does not equate to abolishing the military, or am I missing something?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

They could conscript women, but you can imagine how hard it would be for that legislation to pass.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Men are not a monolith.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

South Korea also has one of the biggest anti-feminism movements in the world. They just eliminated the gender ministry and rolled back protections for women. Not coincidentally, South Korea is Jordan Peterson’s biggest audience outside the US.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

The translation of "gender ministry" is completely misleading, I don't know why they made it that in English because that's not what it is. In Korean it's "여성가족부" which means "Woman's family department"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

right. Korean politics seem to come down to "aid vs embargo". moon jae in was on the aid side, right? I haven't followed the current prez, what's their deal?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

President Yoon is a fascist that got into power by targeting women and disabled people.