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micromobility - Ebikes, scooters, longboards: Whatever floats your goat, this is micromobility

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Ebikes, bicycles, scooters, skateboards, longboards, eboards, motorcycles, skates, unicycles: Whatever floats your goat, this is all things micromobility!

"Transportation using lightweight vehicles such as bicycles or scooters, especially electric ones that may be borrowed as part of a self-service rental program in which people rent vehicles for short-term use within a town or city.

micromobility is seen as a potential solution to moving people more efficiently around cities"

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[–] drdabbles 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, there's zero chance anybody involved with writing anything over there is qualified to write that headline. First and foremost, the obvious marketing graphic from the manufacturer with the stamp style lettering "PASSED" is just bullshit. Flat out bullshit. An additional example is this entirely made up statement,

Folding locks are also largely impervious to leverage attacks (like when thieves put a car jack in a U-lock).

What? WHAT?? So it's "hardened", it locks physically closed, and the claim here is that you can't use enough force to destroy those puny articulating joints? Yeah, no.

And,

The hardened steel links defeat bolt cutters

Well, we see the bolt cutters made it through what I assume is a thick shitty plastic coating and attempted to cut the metal all at once, from a direction in which the force over the jaws are minimized. Nice marketing trick, but here in the real world I'd take nibbles out of that metal strip in no time or I'd rotate my cutters and split that thing in no time.

... and use high-security rivets with such high precision that you can’t get a nut splitter in there.

Oh, okay, someone doesn't know what a nut splitter is or what it does, and they just repeated the marketing copy they received. Nicely done.

And of course we haven't even got to the lock itself, which I guarantee that at $125 for "hardened steel", they didn't splurge on a good one. Man Electrek really is just garbage at all times on all topics.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Most micromobility journalism is pretty bad unfortunately.

[–] drdabbles 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That is unfortunate. I don't really follow the topic, but at one point I was looking for an e bike with low range and everything I could find was just click bait garbage. Didn't end up needing it in the long run, so never bothered to keep up.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

REI Co-op, Aventon Pace, or Lectric XP 3 would have been decent choices if you're ever looking for something like that in the future. Wait for a good sale and you could probably get one for relatively little.

[–] drdabbles 2 points 8 months ago

Thanks for the tips!

[–] Mango 2 points 8 months ago

Security is all about image because security is a product sold to suckers.

[–] skeezix 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Lock Picking Lawyer would like a word with you.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Bike thieves don't usually pick locks, but there's definitely better folding locks out there.

[–] Death_Equity 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If this thing takes off and there is an exploit that is quieter than an angle grinder, they will use that exploit. Lock-picking lawyer has found oodles of vulnerabilities in various means to secure property and he will find the exploit this thing has.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent 2 points 8 months ago

No lock is perfect, every lock can be defeated, it's just about making it enough of a pain in the ass to defeat that the thief moves on to an easier target.

[–] Mango 2 points 8 months ago

You'd think they would invest in their illicit business by learning a skill. Nope. The reason 'just getting a job' isn't easier for them to make money is because they're lazy. I think this should be a consideration in the kind of funding we put into security.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Unless the lock picking lawyer says it's good, I'm not buying it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It's all about just making the next bike look easier to steal relative to effort and value.

But I've seen thieves come with a box truck and just take the entire bike-rack, even seen lampposts cut down and locking racks cut open...no lock will ever keep a determined thief from getting the bike.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

rushes out to buy a pallets worth

Realizes this is an advert and not a wholesome bit of content/advice

Doesn't buy anything and memory-holes the company for lame ads

This is the pattern I follow with ~~micro mobility~~ companies.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

If I was going to spend serious cash on a lock, it'd probably be an ABUS or maybe a Skunklock, never heard of these before.

[–] Mango 1 points 8 months ago

ABUS is also shit unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If you're not going to buy a New York Locks Kryptonite U lock you're pretty much keeing the honest thieves away. I don't think there's a single lock that the LPL want able to easily pop with hand tools, aside from the Kryptonite.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Wait till the lockpickinglawer Gives his brutally honest security flaw.