14 million gulags π was there anyone left in the USSR after Stalin imprisoned them all???
Do you know how absurd the logistics would be for the imprisonment of 14 million people???
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14 million gulags π was there anyone left in the USSR after Stalin imprisoned them all???
Do you know how absurd the logistics would be for the imprisonment of 14 million people???
To put this into context, the United States imprisons about 4.3% of it's population and represents 20% of the global prison population... It's like 2ish million people in American prisons.
Well I'm gonna hold on to this statistic for later use. The absurdity of 14 million being imprisoned is enough that is should stand on it's own but maybe the direct comparison to the US prison system might drill it home a bit more.
It's funny how these people can't realize how absurd their myths about communism are. The myth about Stalin arresting people who were first to stop applauding him after a speech is one of my favorites.
Regarding the USSR:
Regarding modern Russia:
Communists are materialists. If capitalist countries make claims about socialist countries without evidence, the default assumption should be that those claims are either entirely untrue or massively inflated. That doesn't mean they're always false, but you wouldn't trust a habitual liar to suddenly tell the truth. There is no way to "prove" if or how a historical event happened, and Amerikan propaganda is extremely effective despite a severe lack of convincing evidence.
"Russia has not started any war. In Ukraine, they intervened in and escalated a nearly decade-long civil war ignited by the NATO coup in 2014"
So this is one of those communities. I forgot the part where Ukraine requested Russia to invade. Or the part where intervening in another country's political affairs was a thing that neither Russia nor NATO have ever done.
Russia, DPR, LPR, and Ukraine signed a treaty, and the treaty was broken, the DPR and LPR requested aid
As other have pointed out those numbers are way off but also i think its worth pointing out that Stalin didnt invent gulags (or political purges) it was a long standing system by then fuck Lenin was sent to one before the revolution, he and many other people in positions of power in the early USSR just used the tools they knew and were available.I think there are a lot of situations where socialists in the past have done things that are wrong but only in the sense of they should have been better rather than merely the same as capitalist and thats just a fucked way of thinking because they WERE better in so many other places. Also no one is saying Stalin was literally flawless but compared to what he is accused of he might as well be.
The numbers of people executed or gulaged are widely exaggerated. For the Great Purge, he and Molotov set a maximum of 72,950 executions and 186,500 prison sentences. At the peak of the gulags, only 2.4% of the population was imprisoned (less than the percentage imprisoned in the US: 2.8%), and most were common criminals instead of political prisoners. When Khrushchev released many of them after Stalin's death, most committed new crimes and got sent back to prison.
Comrade, do you by any chance have sources for this? Always trying to look for them, but most if not all search engines are biased or straight up empirialistic.
Thx comrade!
Itβs worse than you think... As a result of Stalin's purges and famine, only communists remained in Russia. As soon as he finished killing everyone, he started running super fast and kicked a baby in the face like a football for no apparent reason...I don't understand...Like he shouldn't have done this.
That's without even mentioning the big grain spoon, smh
It's also worth noting that we don't support everything Stalin and the soviets did, necessarily.
To my understanding, the point is to acknowledge the reasoning behind the actions and understand the errors.
This is a video from yesterday about this very topic: https://youtu.be/pDSZRkhynXU
I'm also not the most knowledgeable person here, so take my understanding with a few grains of salt.
It's also worth noting that we don't support everything Stalin and the soviets did, necessarily.
There's two fronts. I'll happily talk about Stalin's mistakes with comrades, but if I get a whiff of liberal I'll shut down and fully support the USSR.
Stalin wasn't perfect, but he was better than any U$ political figure by several orders of magnitude.
Strong agree!
I didn't mean we open up our internal concerns to give random libs any ammo out there.
The mistakes are for us to learn from and build the next.
I get that, but this was also meant as an actual question, it's nice to see some of these posts direct me to better information while explaining what's wrong with the information and sources I have. I live in the US, so it's hard to not only find some neutral sources, but also figure out which ones are propaganda for either side, and which ones aren't without knowing where to start. Some of the replies on this have been extremely informative and a great eye opening experience, while others (I'm guessing) assume that I'm just another liberal trying to attack communism. Which is wrong, I'm just a new tankie with outdated and wrong information trying to understand this community a bit more.
It gets difficult when many of the new, sincere, questions look identical to the troll posting.
That's not a mark against you, really, that's just the environment we're all working with here.
Iβm just going to leave these here: https://www.idcommunism.com/2016/08/solzhenitsyn-rotten-legacy-of-fascist.html?m=1
Related, but does anyone know how much truth their is to the idea that Vavilov was sent to the gulags because of his opposition to Lashekoism?