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[–] Ghostalmedia 302 points 7 months ago (9 children)

The vaccine works by instructing the body to make up to 34 “neoantigens.” These are proteins found only on the cancer cells, and Moderna personalizes the vaccine for each recipient so that it carries instructions for the neoantigens on their cancer cells.

That’s pretty dope

[–] WidowsFavoriteSon 60 points 7 months ago (11 children)
[–] [email protected] 146 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

He must be one of those non-Americans with universal healthc*re

[–] Holyhandgrenade 41 points 7 months ago

But... But everyone having a right to medical care whether they're rich or poor? Unthinkable! Think of the shareholders!

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[–] Ghostalmedia 61 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if, even at this early stage of the therapy’s development, this would actually be more affordable than the alternative.

Melanoma patients are highly likely to have the cancer come back and or metastasize. Repeat treatments and hospitalizations are not cheap.

[–] overzeetop 45 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (19 children)

Which is why the Moderna vaccine will be priced at just 95% of the cost of the repeat treatments and hospitalization plus the value of the time saved and pain and suffering avoidance by the patient. Say, an extra half a million. I mean, what price would you put on avoiding seeing your parent or child subjected to round after round of chemotherapy?

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[–] [email protected] 235 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Time for the antivax doomsday cult to extol the virtues of cancer.

[–] KreekyBonez 108 points 7 months ago (3 children)

god wants the children to have incurable tumors

[–] [email protected] 57 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I mean don't people already spout this crap?

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee 30 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Any horse cancer drugs out there I can take?

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[–] themurphy 152 points 7 months ago (21 children)

This is amazing news for countries with free healthcare! Even though the vaccine is expensive, it's nowhere as expensive as the care a cancer patient needs today.

Plus you can send a healthy individual back to their families and into society again.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Idk man that sounds pretty communist to me

[–] espentan 36 points 7 months ago (1 children)

A country, looking after its people?! Get that communism outta here!

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[–] grayman 33 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's not free, it's socialized. This means expenses are passed to the tax payers. But like you said, if it lowers costs long term, it's worth the short term cost increase.

[–] themurphy 26 points 7 months ago (4 children)

True. My point is that when healthcare is socialised, the government will be the one having to budget the cost/benefit.

Meaning a cure will always be the most profitable, meaning we will see this for all citizens fast.

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[–] nbafantest 97 points 7 months ago (1 children)

“We think that in some countries the product could be launched under accelerated approval by 2025.”

Thats literally next year. That's amazing.

Can't wait to see what other uses we can find for mRNA

[–] [email protected] 43 points 7 months ago (10 children)

Cure for auto immune diseases is incoming FWIW

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[–] FartsWithAnAccent 91 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Fuck cancer, this sounds great!

[–] TheDeepState 28 points 7 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 86 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (15 children)

You know what this sounds like to me?

Like Moderna is gonna ask $10k a poke.

Edit: ITT: Pharma bros telling me how awesome artificially-inflated medication prices are.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 7 months ago (42 children)

Sure would be nice if capitalism didn't exist 🤪

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[–] mriguy 31 points 7 months ago (4 children)

In this case, you have to develop an individual vaccine for every patient based on the DNA from their own cancer. That’s actually a lot of work. $10K a poke is very reasonable given that you could easily spend 10 or 100 times that on conventional treatment.

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[–] BeautifulMind 76 points 7 months ago (1 children)

LOL I just remembered that some folks in the anti-covid-vax/maga category have been referring to the mRNA covid vaccines as 'the cancer vaccines' based on disinformation that they would 'interact with your genes' and 'give you cancer in 2 years'

Seeing this headline [Moderna’s mRNA cancer vaccine works even better than thought] I had to look to see if it was the cancer-targeting vaccine or some mouth-breathers talking about the covid ones 😅

[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I'm going to preface this by saying I had the moderna series and all boosters. Also had COVID once, ironically the weekend before Id scheduled a booster. I entirely believe that the vaccine is effective at reducing infection rates and severity.

have been referring to the mRNA covid vaccines as 'the cancer vaccines'

Ironic, because they literally started as "cancer vaccines", literally a niche cancer treatment. When they were first approved in 2008.

based on disinformation that they would 'interact with your genes' and 'give you cancer in 2 years'

We really don't know the long term consequences of mRNA vaccines. The COVID vaccine is the first application of them at large scale, and the first application of them where we'd normally expect most recipients to still be alive and mostly healthy ten years down the road (again, because they were originally created as a cancer treatment).

Check in in 2030 and we'll know whether or not we made a good bet on that one. We probably did, but there's a reason the manufacturers were given immunity from liability for anything that comes of the COVID vaccines.

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[–] fne8w2ah 65 points 7 months ago (3 children)

cue antivaxxers' pro-plague and pro-death screeching 🤦‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago (11 children)

Any day now those vaxxed will drop dead!!

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[–] june 50 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I wonder if my mom will accept this vaccine for her cancer after years of believing all the conspiracy theories about the COVID vaccine. I’m willing to bet that if she has the opportunity, she’ll jump on it.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Can't wait for it to be specifically priced for only the 1% to be able to afford. Just like all the other cancer drugs that work.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (9 children)

what's really cool is this plus telomerase will give us a youth serum

[–] Earthwormjim91 31 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

what's really cool is this plus telomerase will give the extremely wealthy a youth serum

FTFY

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