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[–] Linkerbaan 24 points 6 months ago (1 children)

After 50 years and heavy Palestinian concessions a state is almost established with heavy external pressure

Extremists from Netanyahus party assasinate the israeli PM. Wife of Rabin blames Netanyahu foe his death

Israel votes Netanyahu into power along with an extreme right wing cabinet and openly gets far more Genocidal than in the past

No guys this totally doesn't represent israel

This is israel. It is what is has always been. A Nazi Apartheid state.

[–] Carrolade 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It seems contradictory to me to say it has always been pursing genocide, when one of the elected politicians was moving in the other direction for years. A bit selective.

Perhaps we could look at the voter tallys in 1996, where Netanyahu won 1,501,023 to 1,471,566, and the events that were influencing the Israeli public at the time? It certainly doesn't help when there's 14 suicide bombings happening in Israel between 1993 and 1995 during the peace process. Being bombed generally does drive people towards militarism.

Regardless of the past, though, Israel is there now. With its nuclear arsenal, it will not be destroyed any time soon unless Iran somehow nukes it off the map through its missile defense. So, negotiation seems necessary.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

The issue isn't Netanyahu. Well he's a compounding issue but the core problem is that everyone but the leftest of lefties stopped believing in the peace process after Rabin's assassination. As the Haaretz said: Yigal Amir won. The right-wing approach to security, "antagonise Palestinians into submission", never got challenged by anyone since Rabin's death. Maybe it'll now get challenged as October 7th happened on the right's watch, so obviously they can't provide security, but don't expect the Israeli people to realise that in a fortnight, so far little is happening: The press is self-censoring because they know no Israeli wants to even look at what the IDF is doing in Gaza and the West Bank, protests are about Netanyahu's corruption (which is pretty much the only thing distinguishing him and Gantz, not politics) as well as families of hostages complaining about the Kahanites being more interested in killing Arabs than getting their relatives back. It's not (necessarily) the war they're opposed to but the priorities.

[–] Linkerbaan -3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

when one of the elected politicians was moving in the other direction for years. A bit selective.

Yeah and what did it result in? Same thing as every other "negotiation" from the last 75 years, More Genocidal Nazis slowly taking over Palestinian land while the Palestinians have to wait for the "peaceful negotiations".

The only difference between past israel and current israel is that current israel got so arrogant that they are forgetting to hide their Nazism. They are now flaunting what they have been doing for the past 75 years thinking themselves so much in the right that nobody will disagree with them.

Pretending that israel has ever had good-will to come to a peaceful conclusion is pure delusion. Israel is an Ethnostate deeply rooted in Apartheid. You cannot create an Ethnostate pecaefully just like the Nazis weren't peacefully expanding their Lebensraum.

[–] yetiftw 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

nuance won't hurt you, I promise <3

[–] Linkerbaan -4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Do we look at the Holocaust with nuance as well? Should the Jews have tried to negotiate with Adolf Hitler?

When someone decides to do Ethinc Cleansing to create an Ethnostate it's Nazi-O-Clock. All nuance goes out the window.

[–] HelloHotel 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

All nuance goes out the window.

somehow, at some point in the conversation, the word "nuance" here has become double speak for Neo-liberal-style negotiations. but yeah, big picture, it’s Nazi-O-Clock!