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Deputies responding to a disturbance call at a Florida apartment complex burst into the wrong unit and fatally shot a Black U.S. Air Force airman who was home alone when they saw he was armed with a gun, an attorney for the man’s family said Wednesday.

Senior Airman Roger Fortson, 23, who was based at the Special Operations Wing at Hurlburt Field, was in his off-base apartment in Fort Walton Beach when the shooting happened on May 3.

Civil rights attorney Ben Crump said in a statement that Fortson was on a Facetime call with a woman at the time of the encounter.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

They didn't care about him when he was alive.

They may care about the operational loss, but they certainly wont bring any kind of hammer down on the local PD.

[–] Cipher22 24 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I'm honestly curious about a source for your perspective on the first sentence. I've seen firsthand where the USAF negotiated on an international level for enlisted Airmen over a DUI. This particular case was in Japan and while the Airman had to serve his term as dictated by the Japanese courts, he was aloud to do so in a US Military facility, which was a significantly higher QOL for that Airman.

I couldn't find an article while looking for a minute, but it's been quite a few years. I also promise that skin tone was not a distinguishing factor.

At the end of the day, though, I would simply like information on your perspective, not to convince you to change.

[–] lath 6 points 6 months ago

Own country vs other countries. Doesn't matter what a US soldier did in other countries, if it can be swept under the rug, it will. Own country, they don't give a shit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Are Japanese prisons that bad? I would expect them to be much better than ours based on my understanding of their society but I honestly have no idea.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Japan is an ultraconservative hellhole, their law & justice system is probably the most backwards in the first world. Their crime management is pretty much just fascism many times, extremely out of proportion punishments for the crimes, and if the government accuses you of something and it goes to trial, you're basically toast. They all but torture you while you're being processed, often times they use harsh treatment to try to force a confession out of you before trial. The state prosecutor also has no legal obligation to present all the facts, they have a lot of freedom to cherrypick and withhold information relevant to the trial in order to make the defendant look as guilty as possible.

They have a 99.8% criminal conviction rate.

Japanese inmates are often treated inhumanely, the way Japan treats prisoners regularly would be considered a human rights violation in most western countries.

Imagine how Republicans treat criminals, and multiply it by a hundred. Japanese society/government HATES anything that's out of order and does all it can to stamp out any "deviance" from norms. This usually results in them treating financial crimes, theft, drugs, etc. extremely harshly, but doing pretty much nothing about crimes like sexual harassment & sexual assault, which are kind of culturally prevalent or even slightly acceptable in Japan. Legally rape victims are treated far worse than rapists. You'd even probably be treated leniently for DUI as long as it wasn't a taboo/illegal drug (i.e., if it's alcohol).

The reason urban Japan seems so nice and orderly is similar to the reason that the streets of Pyongyang seem so clean and behaved. Extremely terrible treatment of people who step out of line, except in Japan it's mostly culturally than politically. There's a reason they're known for suicide and hikikomoris.

It is a very common misconception that Japan is very progressive because of anime and the extremely rampant sexualization/objectification of women in the form of cute/funny things like panty dispensing machines and wacky television game shows and cat girls, and in general Japanese stuff just being very bright and bouncy and all that. But it's very misleading, their culture obsessed with cuteness/"kawaii" stems from an attempt to radically and rapidly distance their cultural image from that of Imperial Japan. They definitely succeeded in changing the world's perception of them, but they didn't address their deep societal issues which were in part caused by the US basically controlling their politics after WW2.

I should point out though that not all Japanese prisons are dystopian torture chambers. But you still get very few rights and freedoms while imprisoned, even socializing may be completely forbidden.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please 2 points 6 months ago

Yeah, Japanese prisons are actually horrible. You basically have zero leeway in anything you do. You’re basically expected to sit quietly in your cell for 20 hours of the day. The rest of your time is spent either quietly eating, or kneeling quietly in the yard during your mandated outdoor time. Punishments for non-conformity are strict and swift, and guards aren’t afraid to beat you senseless for speaking out of turn.

Japan is actually extremely conservative, and that really shows in their justice system. They have a near 100% conviction rate after someone is arrested, because there are basically zero protections for the accused. No right to a defense lawyer, prosecution can exclude exculpatory evidence, police can drug and beat you to force a confession, etc… Only 0.2% of accused people are actually found innocent. And no, I didn’t mean 2%. I mean 99.8% of arrests lead to a conviction.

They have a large amount of tolerance for socially “normal” crimes like public intoxication, (the stereotype of the drunken Japanese businessman stumbling home at 2AM is very real,) but if it’s a socially unacceptable crime (like petty theft) or if you’re a foreigner, then they’ll throw the book (and basically the entire library) at you. The Yakuza is basically allowed to operate openly, as long as they don’t bother the normal citizens. But if you’re accused of smoking weed, you can expect to die in prison.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Americans getting arrested in other countries is "a great injustice". If American cops kill an American, nobody cares.

Look at what the US has done to protect obviously guilty Americans from facing any type of consequence from committing crimes abroad. Stuff like the woman who killed a motorcyclist in the UK because she was driving the wrong way, or the airmen that killed scores of people by flying into a gondola cable in Italy.

[–] Confused_Emus 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

~~Did someone edit a comment? Or the post itself? Where does Japan come into an article about an airman killed by police in Florida?~~

EDIT: I put the em-PHASIS on the wrong syl-LABLE when reading the comment. Never mind.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It is an anecdote about the Air Force going to bat for one of its members, in a much less desirable scenario.

[–] Confused_Emus 4 points 6 months ago

Thanks. I was misinterpreting the previous comment.

[–] Dkarma -3 points 6 months ago

You saw some colonels nephew get out of a DUI and that makes u think the us military has integrity???

Lmfao. They don't hire the brightest do they?