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There’s a tendency in this heated political climate to simply reject people who are saying false things and to write off conspiracy theorists writ large.

But as the US approaches the third straight election in which misinformation — and the fight against it — is expected to play a role, it’s important to understand what’s driving people who don’t believe in US elections.

I talked to O’Sullivan about the documentary, in which he has some frank and disarming talks with people about what has shaken their belief in the US. But he paints an alarming picture about the rise of fringe movements in the country.

Our conversation, conducted by phone and edited for length, is below:

WOLF: What were you trying to accomplish with this project?

O’SULLIVAN: So much of mainstream American politics now is being infected and affected by what is happening on what was once considered the real fringes — fringe platforms, fringe personalities.

And I think really what we want to do in this show is illustrate how these personalities may be pushing falsehoods, but they’re no longer fringe. This is all happening right now. And it is having a big effect on our democracy.

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[–] SupahRevs 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Somebody that fits this description (excluding ACAB) won the Presidency. Self promoting and selfish desires. The "greed is good" era has continued pushing a selfish culture over community driven goals. This is especially true in the large media organizations and social media. Media makes decisions for profits and selfish goals over community engagement, education, and cohesiveness.

But, there are many counter examples in the actual community. The community driven people just make less noise online. I volunteer with college kids and the generosity and desire for community building is really impressive. I would not find this online but in real life it is very evident. But no one makes money selling things to people who care about others more than themselves. So advertising and social media cater to the selfish side of people so that is what we see more often.

[–] TubularTittyFrog -5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. Sadly any community org that started out great I have been a part of always lets money get in the way... and then it all becomes about 'image' and social conformity and such.

I recently left a community garden group I helped build because they won some grant and decided they needed to get more grants and more money and the best way to do that was to become a group that 'helps marginalized peoples' and hence... if you are white you should leave because you aren't helping our 'brand'. They changed all the photos on the social media/website to women and minorities, despite the fact 70% of the people doing the actual work were white male folks... but since that doesn't fit the 'brand' they need to get more money... it's just a self-defeating process and what was a inclusive group is now exclusive. Despite the flat irony that the racial makeup of our group was spot on with the that of the city (70% white) it's not decided that no, your skin color is what matters.

Greed ruins everything.

[–] FlyingSquid 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Helping marginalized peoples? Dear god, what horrors will they think of next?

[–] TubularTittyFrog -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

England also thought they were 'helping' marginalized people when they colonized Africa/India.

[–] FlyingSquid 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You're right, a garden group helping marginalized people is no different from Europeans colonizing Africa. Why didn't I see it that way before?

[–] TubularTittyFrog -1 points 7 months ago

Because you don't pay attention to how social power and identity are used as weapons today, just as it was during colonialism.

People haven't changed very much, we are no more 'enlightened' today than we were 400 years ago. We're just have a lot more words to pretend we are superior.