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[–] necrxfagivs 267 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (23 children)

The admins stated on Mastodon that they're not going to defederate until something happens. Knowing Meta they shouldn't give them the chance.

Here's the link: https://mastodon.world/@mwadmin/110654590632768079

[–] antik 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can read the lemmy.world admin response here

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[–] Sanctus 243 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Thats unfortunate. I'll be moving instances then. Giving Meta a chance is a lot like giving a mosquito a chance to not suck your blood.

[–] Squiglet 24 points 1 year ago

Its like that story of the frog helping the scorpion cross the river.

[–] stupidillusion 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How do you move? I signed up through .world but don't want a chance of touching the poo (meta).

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You just make a new account with another instance. You get about the same content as before.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

If you consume only - yes. if create something - not that easy.

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[–] [email protected] 112 points 1 year ago (4 children)

"until something happens"

I suppose Metas history of actively being a bad actor working against societies best interests and enabling hate groups doesn't qualify as 'something'...

[–] joel_feila 15 points 1 year ago

yeah that this point meta just existing is bad

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[–] trifictional 77 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Oh, looks like I’m switching instances.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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[–] favrion 15 points 1 year ago (14 children)

How do you do that? I'm subscribed to like 50 conmunities. Would I have to start all over? That doesn't sound like it's worth it.

[–] CMahaff 94 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Just gonna name-drop the tool I made to do this :) https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim

It's only been out a few days, let me know if you have any issues!

[–] LUHG_HANI 23 points 1 year ago

Thanks. I liked .world but no way will I let meta in.

[–] bingbong 12 points 1 year ago

Thanks for making this!

[–] 3rdBlueWizard 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Awesome! I was hoping this would be possible. I plan to host my own instance hobbit.world and would need to migrate everything.

Also, I'll defederate any corporate instances. No need to encourage bad actors.

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[–] Eldritch 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Honestly it isn't. Nothing about the Fediverse is private or inherently secure in that way. Everything is public. And you should assume that everything you publish through activity pub could eventually be looked at by anyone. If you want private or secure messaging there are non-activity pub open source secure alternate. In fact signing up for Lemmy there's even a field to enter for one. Whether or not a server federates with meta. Meta is still going to data mine the ever-loving shit out of all of them. The point is. None of us are at Meta's wim about being flooded with their toxic content.

Honestly I want to see meta flooded with our content. So much anti-threads anti Meta sentiment. Actual leftists. And not just make believe right-wing liberals who've been conditioned to think that they are left. It would be hilarious to watch Meta try to play wack-a-mole sanitizing everything. To please their reptilian corporate overlords. And if you don't care and just don't want to see it. You can always block them personally. Why let them data mine in peace. I say we make them work for it.

[–] Zaktor 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not real sure how much the Threads Algorithm is going to pass through Mastodon content (and even less sure if it will even be able to pass through Lemmy content). I think the much more valuable aspect is you can pitch your Threads friends that they can move to the Fediverse and actually get to choose what content they see rather than which influencers paid Meta to fill up your feed.

[–] MeetInPotatoes 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Agreed about influencers. Meta wouldn't be doing this at all if they didn't have a plan (or multiple plans) to monetize it. The whole reason I left Reddit and plan to leave Twitter was that I very much dislike having any part of my online enjoyment at the mercy of the whims of gigantic corporate assholes that think they are far more important than they are. Meta has been an awful and abusive actor in the tech world, why would any freedom-loving person want anything to do with them in a freedom-loving space?! Why would anyone just wait and see what they do this time to decide they're an awful company with only their profits in mind and no qualms about making those profits at a cost to its users?!

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not really about privacy, though. It's about the risk of Meta going "Embrace, extend, extinguish" on the fediverse, and the only way to protect against that is by not letting them interact with the majority of it from the get-go. https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would add to this that its not just the fediverse, anything you put on the internet should be assumed to be public and non-deletable. Even with GDPR and everything, if the host deletes everything there could dtill be backups, archives, or some random person, corporation, or government could backup everything. Use secure services like signal for things you want to be private and just assume everything else could be public forever.

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[–] gamers_Mate 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh damn guess I will migrate to lemmy.ml and use that until I find out if lemmy.world defederates or not. (Edit turns out it is run by tankies and they are federated with lemmygrad.) While I may or may not stay on lemmy.world depending on if we federate with meta or not. I will no longer suggest Lemmy.ml.

[–] necrxfagivs 7 points 1 year ago

I'm not in a hurry to migrate, as Threads doesn't support federation yet, but is not a bad idea to keep an eye on other instances.

[–] Looster 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is mastodon.world the same as lemmy.world?

[–] necrxfagivs 20 points 1 year ago

The admin is the same person, so is expected that they apply the same policy for both instances.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is there a list of who’s blocking or not?

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