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Commentary: Longtime former Republican on Patrick Deneen and the demise of the conservative intellectual

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Intellectualism is not an inherently moral thing. One can be an amoral, selfish, narcissistic, intellectual.

[–] TokenBoomer 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn’t mean to give the impression that it is a moral issue. I consider it from a populist societal perspective. The majority (liberalism)wanting to do one thing, and the minority (conservatives) preventing progress. If conservatives had it their way, we’d still have feudalism… oh wait.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean, that's also taking an "us vs them" mentality that isn't helpful either. The middle ground is where the vast majority of people sit, and often swing to one side or another based on the situation surrounding them. Taking a "If you're not with me, you're against me" stance, just puts those people off. Either they just refuse to engage (which is a big factor in lack of participation in voting in the US) or they move towards the people who are willing to pander them. More often than not the conservatives.

[–] TokenBoomer 7 points 1 year ago

Apparently I suffer from what is called naive realism. I’m working on it. I just wished conservatives would too.

[–] Tigerfishy 1 points 1 year ago

Problem is human rights have become the giant center of it all, and it IS if you're not with me you're against me. There's no fence from where I stand because stripping rights to play games can't be an option. All these bills being passed with no legs just to keep fires alive. I say this from a safe state, I'm white, born straight, all the simple stuff. I try not to be off-putting - but "I'm a fiscal conservative and a social democrat" is a cop-out these days

I almost deleted all this lol but I may as well post. I find all that you've written thoughtful. I've stayed out of politics for the past few months because it's was all just been too much these past 6 or 7 years...and it's about to get awful again. I think I'm glad I'm off Reddit for politics season. There were good discussions there, but I think there will be more to get out of it here

Anyway, thanks for your replies

[–] gAlienLifeform 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Those sound like the exact kinds of people who shouldn't have any influence over our politics

[–] Eldritch 4 points 1 year ago

Those are core conservative "intellectuals'.