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So there’s this cool thing with math where you can factor out common values.
So if we have fascism+genocide vs notfascism+genocide, and we factor out the support for Israel, we get fascism vs nonfascism.
That’s still an important election, regardless of whether both sides support Israel.
Sure, but consider what you're saying here, if we cannot use our votes to effect change then what are you proposing people do?
Well, for one, vote for the only major party that MIGHT give a shit about Gaza or may be less gung-ho about supporting Israel, and for two, advocate in other ways. Organize protests, make calls to your representatives and senators, donate to charities that will assist the people of Gaza, etc.
Keep in mind, Donald Trump moved the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem and doesn’t give a flying fuck about Gaza. He’s worse for Gaza than “Genocide Joe” is.
There have been protests about Biden sending arms to Israel. He continues to send arms to Israel. Politicians ignore protests.
People have called their representatives and senators objecting to sending arms to Israel. Arms continue to be sent to Israel.
Clearly neither of these have worked. What else have you got?
It’s like you’re expecting national policy to turn instantly based on protests. That’s now how the world works, unfortunately. Things take time.
It’s terrible, I’m not in any way trying to downplay the genocide that is happening. But Israel and the US have been firm allies for a long time. Change won’t come quickly. And it won’t come at all if Trump is elected.
You're the one who claimed protesting works. If it did we would see material changes resulting from protests. We don't. Protests obviously don't work.
If your claim is "protests change policy decades later sometimes" then state that plainly.
Protesting does work. It just doesn’t result in immediate change. Nothing results in immediate change. Expecting it to is childish.
Ok then expand on this claim I know exactly what you mean. Be specific. Explain how we can know which protests will and won't work and explain what time frame we can expect.
Ah, gotta call in the mods when I call you out? Fair enough, I wasn’t very civil (though I’m convinced you’re not arguing in good faith to begin with).
Let’s try again.
Roflmao, I have to do all that work to justify voting against fascism?
Kindly go ply your goalpost-moving trade elsewhere, perhaps under a bridge? That is where those who don’t argue in good faith are most welcome, as I understand it.
Have a nice day!
So you can't. Got it.
Protesting doesn't do shit.
You’re so right. That’s why nothing has ever changed. Women still can’t vote. PoC still use separate bathrooms. Sodomy is illegal and gay people can’t get married. How wise you are!
Again, kindly, civilly, and politely fuck off.
You're under the impression all of these things were achieved with nothing more than people standing around with signs? No work stoppages? No violence? No protest votes?
And if you don't then again I ask, what are you recommending we do?
Wow, weird, I don’t remember saying that at all! Not sure where you got that notion.
Work stoppage is a form of protest. Violence, while not always necessary, has been useful in some occasions, but is often first used by the ruling class.
I think I’ve already told you. Vote against fascism, and also, and this is the key one and most important: fuck off.
Pathetic weasel word answers. Typical.