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What's a "pavement princess"?
An "off-road" vehicle that's never been off-road
I heard it from my truck friends, and this is what I understand too. A truck driver who "has" to own a truck for some flimsy reason, but end up driving it to their office every day. The truck never (or rarely) goes off road, tows anything, or is used for actual truck things.
In essence, you don't need a truck, you could easily rent one from the home depot for $20 twice a year and be perfectly fine
But how am i supposed to feel like a big man without the ability endanger the lives of everyone around me???
Oh no! Does this mean I'll need to develop an actual personality with my own likes and dislikes without following what I think will make me look manly?
Don't worry, there are many other ways to make others feel unsafe
Like a red hat!
Drive a lifted civic with the brightest lights you can get pointed directly at the mirror of anyone in front of you who drives a reasonable vehicle.
Better than feeling like a big man your way, hidden behind a screen talking shit about people you never would in real life.
Lol, well if it isn't the pot calling the kettle black
Really? Killing people with your stupid truck is better than being a cowardly keyboard warrior hiding behind a screen and talking shit?
You need to rethink your priorities in life. I wish you luck
coward
What does one need a truck for anyway? They seen highly unpractical as working vehicles.
I know actual farmers and seems like they use a trailer more than a truck. Which makes sense, because they can just remove it when unneeded
So as a farmer here in Canada, it depends where you live and what you farm. We use a lot of trailers, but they are all pulled by truck. The most common hookup methods for large trailers are gooseneck or 5th wheel, both of which require a truck as the connection point is right above the rear axle to improve towing capacity and handling.
My farm's heavy truck is a 1-ton flatbed with tilt deck and gooseneck hitch as well as a pintle hitch. This truck allows me to pull livestock trailers, hay wagons and farm equipment, and haul pallets, tanks and bagged goods, a very versatile truck.
It also drinks fuel like you wouldn't believe, so if I'm not hauling I drive an efficient diesel car when I go to the city (~200km)
Yeah, I usually see farmers use a 4WD with a trailer, or just their tractors. Trucks aren’t really a thing here, just the occasional douchebag who has imported one from the US.
For uses like construction and other blue collar work people use vans. Lots of storage space, and it’s enclosed so protected against the elements and from theft.
They're very common in my country. Most taxis are Toyota pickup trucks. They are great on dirt roads and you can fit a lot of people, animals, and groceries in the back.
It's also great for bicycles.
I live in America and the people (princesses) here drive pickups for very different reasons.
I live in America too. Its two big continents with many countries
As someone from the USA, specifically in Texas, it's hilarious to watch people lose their minds when you tell them Mexicans or Brazilians are Americans as well.
It's like some people don't understand geography.
Hey, we have a government program in the US that pays people to learn geography. All you have to do is hold guns on world heritage sites (a friend of mine once had to secure ziggurats)
Or you pretend to not understand the (localish on a continental level) language you're speaking. I'm not from the states, don't call me an American, if we're speaking English. Portugese or Spanish, yeah, it depends, but mostly on who's saying it.
What country? Here in the US cyclists rarely drive pickups, we’re more likely to drive a subcompact hatchback or SUV and either throw it in the back or get a rack
? Naw man, half of them have those toyota pickups with that endgate blanket with the big white star to keep the front assembly from scratching the paint.
I may have a poisoned sample as I mostly interact with other cyclists via an anarchist bike scene.
modern trucks for sure, they're - at least in the US from personal experience - frequently FAR oversized for their actual use needs.
I had an s-10 second hand in the 90s and it was crazy gas efficient and handy as a hammer. not a highway cruiser or a gigantic hauler, but it handled lumber and sod and shingles just fine. for some reason, they literally don't make a truck that size anymore. same with the Kei truck form factor - it's just gone, the only I see here in the US are old, pre-2010 stock.
They’re great for hauling medium amounts of heavy shit and for hitching. So if you’re building a whole house it may not be perfect, but you probably can put your tools in the bed and use a trailer for lumber. But if you’re a carpenter or a mason you can throw a fair amount of wood or stone or brick in the bed and it wont have an issue
But that’s still impractical, you can only put your tools in there temporarily, but you can’t leave them unattended in an open truck bed or they would get stolen. Over here carpenters, masons, electricians and people in similar occupations usually use vans. Often they have shelves and other storage solutions in their van for their tools. Here are some examples (text is in Dutch but the photos are self explanatory).
You can still use a trailer with a van, and they often have roof-racks for things like long pieces of lumber, a ladder, etc. In comparison a truck just seems way less practical than a van.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense. I know farmers use open bed trucks for stuff like dirt and manure. The bed is a plus there as you can use a tarp to keep it in in transport then wash it out after. So yeah we wind up with farmers having trucks, some trades like masons use either, and tradesfolks like plumbers and electricians where they have a lot of tools and equipment that needs to be kept organized go with vans. It’s just that we have a metric fuck ton of arable land and as such a lot of farmers (though often it’s a capital intensive hobby) anywhere remotely rural. This results in pickup trucks being the iconic vehicle of the rural American and part of their identity even if they’re an accountant.
They don't make many vans that can tow a 24,000 lb gvw gooseneck trailer filled to capacity with lumber (Centurion did, once upon a time) there's bumper hitch lumber trailers that my half ton cannot tow empty, bottoms out the suspension just attempting to hook on. So you have a locking toolbox on front of bed or integated into a flatdeck. Trailer stays on site or is unloaded and leaves, truck brings the incidentals out as needed with the crew. Look, i don't know why Europeans like to pretend theyve never heard of a toolbox. Scale of the roads and trailer here is just different, and masons, electricians and plumbers do use vans. Carpenters usually not.
This is what I do. I need a truck maybe once every year.
“MallRoad vehicle”
I've also heard "mall terrain vehicle"
I've never heard the term before, but my first guess would be someone who has a castle on wheels. So an SUV owner, or pickup owner who doesn't actually use it for its intended purpose.
A Chelsea tractor.
It's not enough to not drive a car, you have to conform to the gatekeeping standards of this sub precisely