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Another Boeing [737] makes an emergency landing in Denver, Colorado after having the engine fall apart
(lemmy.world)
Title Edit: 737 not a 787
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Another Boeing 787 makes an emergency landing in Denver, Colorado after having the engine fall apart
Direct link to video: https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1777045344699723776/vid/avc1/720x720/9e4r54op7DJrY8Q6.mp4
Source: https://twitter.com/HotSpotHotSpot/status/1777045587344429221
In fairness, I do want to point out that this particular aircraft, N8668A, was built in 2015. This was its first incident. Basically, I’d assume this to be more of a maintenance issue rather than an actual Boeing issue.
Incidents like this now make the news with ‘Another Boeing…’ when usually the media would report ‘Aircraft diverted…’ and not even mention the aircraft type until the second paragraph in. Every Boeing incident now gets put under a magnifying glass.
Don’t get me wrong: Boeing has become a shit company and the people who knowingly put lives at risk for profit need to be lined up against a wall. But this doesn’t really feel like one of those incidents, knowing how often engines are checked and serviced after leaving the factory.
Right, but that's the game you play when you are an aircraft builder. If your record is spotless, people will presume issues with your products are not your fault. If your reputation dips, you get a feedback loop of shit. It's a pretty simple idea that American industry used to understand before they let MBAs take control.
This applies to many things in society, and is generally the entire social construct of "reputation." It's why politicians speak carefully and don't "say it like it is." It's why you don't talk shit about your coworkers. Etc. I feel like a huge portion of our society has completely lost touch with this idea of actions and character having long term consequences.
Yes I believe the current story is "the match made in heaven, Boeing and united, resulted in shit maintenance of a weakly QCed product. Thus, united was running a poor QC program on top of a profitmaxxed airframe. The bill is coming due on all that fuckery".
Wasn't this a Southwest aircraft?
Wow the title on this one is bad. This plane was not a 787, it was a 737.
My initial reply was going to be “Southwest only flies 737s, so this 787 isn’t one of theirs” but then I decided to check, just in case.
So yes, this was a Southwest 737.
But most incidents lately have been that glorious combination of United and Boeing.
Fixed title, thanks!
There's no reason it can't be a thruple.
Rather than think this is completely related, shouldn't it instead raise concerns about Boeings maintenance procedures? Extrapolating on their exposed carelessness during engineering and production i don't see it as much of a stretch to say they aren't maintaining their planes properly either.
I'm thinking twice before i fly boeing, period.
As you say, if boeing is getting away with shit maintenance then maybe all companies are and like someone above said, i shouldn't fly at all.
Boeing does not maintain their planes after they sell them. That is on the customer.
They are, however, maintained to Boeing's specified intervals.
This just isn't true. Part 121 operators develop and manage their own maintenance plans. That is done in conjunction with Boeing and the FAA but their maintenance plans may very well deviate from Boeings prescribed service and intervals per their standard maintenance manual.
Are they?
Yes. You do not fuck around with maintenence intervals on an aircraft, especially in the states.
Isn't it a Southwest maintenance issue ?
I have no clue whether Southwest maintains their own planes or has a service contract with boeing tbh. Sure is scary either way
Aircraft maintenance is an important and very complex issue. Most of it is carried out by either the end user or specialist aircraft maintainers. Basically, completely seperate companies. An aircraft rarely goes back to the manufacturer; it just wouldn’t be practical.
Think of it like this: if your BMW needs an oil change and new brakes, your local garage performs that maintenance, you don’t ship your entire car back to Germany.
I feel we need to take a closer look at aircraft maintenance procedures and companies in general. Because it feels like that sector is either overworked, cutting costs or otherwise not doing maintenance to the levels required for safe operation. There have been too many ‘minor incidents ‘ in recent years that feel indicative of a larger problem.
Air travel still is the safest form of transport, but since every incident makes the news, it has a large potential to undermine the feeling of safety in travellers.
Speaking for myself… I’d rather fly on a well maintained Airbus A320 rather than a brand new 737.
Boeing is in biiiiiig trouble for sure.
I believe I heard somewhere this was started by a bird strike.
And not to defend Boeing, but they don't make the engines. The engine is a CFM56 made by CFM International. The same engines are used on some Airbus a320s, Airbus a340s, and McDonald Douglas DC-8's
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFM_International_CFM56
This was part of the nacelle I think, so it would be a Boeing made or procured part. There's just pretty much zero chance it's their fault.
Fair?
Boeing killed a mf'er.
We're past fair.
... Plus all those people that died in their knowingly faulty planes
I, for one, am interested in being correct.
I prefer to prove people wrong. And that is better than being correct. I win, case closed.
Are you serious? You think an engine falling apart wouldn't make the news?
No, as I said it WOULD make the news, obviously. But usually they wouldn’t lead with the aircraft manufacturer in the title. News outlets are really only doing that because Boeing is a ‘hot topic’.
Most people really don’t know or care what brand or type of plane they’re flying on. Heck, most news outlets can’t tell a Boeing 747 from a Piper Cub. But every Boeing incident is now guaranteed to get clicks.
You're being disingenuous. You're saying here that it shouldn't make the news under the brand "Boeing", clearly.
I disagree. I believe Boeing is earning their reputation at this point. They deserve to reap what they sew.
Why? Well... Watch this: https://youtu.be/Q8oCilY4szc
Correct.
There are a few channels on YouTube that play communication traffic between pilots and traffic controllers during emergency situations. Engine failures, fires, bird strikes are not at all uncommon, and almost never made the news before this hyper focus on everything Boeing.