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[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Why can't both suck?

Like, yeah, Americas domestic surveillance practices were wildly out of line.

That doesn't make Snowden a saint. What he did benefits Putin far more than it benefits any American and both of them are well aware of that.

[–] aidan 6 points 7 months ago

Calling out civil rights abuses "benefited the soviets" doesn't mean that it didn't need to be done.

[–] A_Very_Big_Fan 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What he did benefits Putin far more than it benefits any American

how tho

[–] [email protected] -5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Because his whole thing is destabilizing the West. What better way to do that than to destroy whatever trust was left in the establishment?

[–] A_Very_Big_Fan 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lmao sure, it's not America's fault for violating our trust, it's his fault for telling us

[–] [email protected] -4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

What has changed because of him? Anything that benefits America or Americans?

No. Not a damn thing has changed for us. Meanwhile Putin has a nice little puppet to tweet out divisive and intentionally misleading shit like this and people like you mop it right up. Because he stuck it to the man. The same man that Putin loves sticking it to. "The enemy of my enemy".

[–] A_Very_Big_Fan 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You don't see how the changes in legislation Snowden caused point America in the direction of being a more ethical country? Oh wait, you're right, that's not a beneficial change for America if the American powers-that-be don't care if their actions are criminal or unconstitutional.

But seriously, you don't think the world-wide revelation that the US was committing mass privacy violations, or the revelation that our government lies/covers up unconstitutional/criminal behavior was a major change? It speaks volumes about you if you don't think exposing tyrannical behavior is a benefit to Americans.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago

Legislation doesn't mean anything to extrajudicial surveillance. They gonna do what they gonna do. The world knows and knew all about it all along. US surveillance and intelligence had been an open secret since the Patriot Act.

All that resulted from it was Putin got a nice puppet.

[–] aidan 6 points 7 months ago

The destruction of trust is from the establishment that violated it