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If humans aren't separate from nature, then anything humans create falls within "nature". Humans aren't the first species to create tools and create farms. Even art have been observed in other species.
As far a "paying attention to the nature order", I do have my concerns, but it has more to do with putting so much CO2 into the atmosphere that we cause runaway climate change. Not showing basic empathy to other humans is a departure from the "natural order".
The part of the brain that governs "Empathy" has been narrowed down to a region called "mirror neurons". It causes us to see ourselves in people we're observing. It's also directly responsible for how we learn tool use. Monkey 1 sees Monkey 2 put stick into anthill to get food, so Monkey 1 also puts stick into anthill.
I think people are getting their wires crossed by bringing prior bias into this discussion here. While I do agree with what you have said here, my personal understanding of the argument for respecting the natural order comes from seeing people make decisions which will naturally lead to their own inability to survive/procreate, then getting mad at others for failing to respect those decisions.
Define "Natural Order". It's often used to justify being shitty to other people by Social Darwinists/Libertarians/Manosphere types. If you use that term without elaborating exactly what you mean, you'll get slotted into one of those types because that's exactly what they do.
I literally just did in the comment that you replied too.
No, you were being vague. Give examples of what you mean.
who?
what did they decide to do?
how so? you seem to have a lot of experience seeing these admittedly horrific sounding situations play out. i think we all would benefit from hearing what is going on so that we can save ourselves from a similar scenario!