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[–] dual_sport_dork 60 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Provided you knew what you were doing, indefinitely. Or until you died of old age or managed to contract a deadly disease/cancer/manage to injure yourself in a life threatening way that you can't treat yourself.

You might not be happy about it. But growing basic crops, storing away dried grains for the winter, hunting and dressing animals, making a fire to cook them, etc. should be well within the reach of anyone capable of reading this. Neanderthals could do it, so can you.

If you didn't know what you were doing, well, until you ran out of easily scavengable canned goods and/or died of botulism from eating one of them that wasn't as canned as you thought.

[–] captainjaneway 31 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah my plan (dream) has always been like this:

  • Use the internet while I have it (assuming people just all disappear suddenly) to download survival guides, solar panel repair/installation PDFs, maps, etc. Anything I can think of, I'll download
  • Gas only lasts so long. I can use chemicals that extend it, but it's definitely limited. I'd start with a gas powered truck and eventually move into electric vehicles. Batteries aren't forever either... But I'd try.
  • I'd move to a warm, temperate climate
  • I'd find a building that claims it is powered by solar panels most of the year. I'd use that as my home
  • I'd immediately begin trying to farm. I have a black thumb so this would take me some years to get done correctly. But I'd hopefully have some potatoes and grain growing by the end of a year
  • In the meantime, I might find things to occupy my time such as: finding videogames to play, raising chickens, fishing, collecting guns/ammo, collecting books to preserve, storing solar panels, backup equipment, etc.

My end goal would be to survive as long as I'm happy. I'm pretty introverted so that would last a while. I'd use animals to keep me company. I believe nature would take us over pretty quickly. It would be hard to maintain the house, solar, etc. forever. But if I could, I would.

My wife and I already do a lot of foraging in our area and we have several guides for edible food. We also do some canning and prepping for disasters.

I don't think a disaster would be a picnic. People are the problem. But if they disappeared suddenly, I think it would be pretty livable.

[–] A_Very_Big_Fan 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Use the internet while I have it (assuming people just all disappear suddenly) to download survival guides, solar panel repair/installation PDFs, maps, etc. Anything I can think of, I'll download

AI would be really useful in this scenario. Have a whole internet's worth of information at your disposal with a fraction of the storage costs.

Probably still want the actual manuals and guides for the important stuff tho...

[–] mojofrododojo 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Have a whole internet’s worth of information at your disposal with a fraction of the storage costs.

without humans to keep it going the internet's going bye bye quickly.

[–] A_Very_Big_Fan 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I mean like, a local model. Hence the benefit of having the info at a fraction of the storage cost.

[–] mojofrododojo -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

oh man this is hilarious. so you think if the AI is local the corpus it's been taught upon doesn't need to be stored?

it's worse - you need the processing power (many many many gpus requiring enormous amounts of power) coupled to enormous amounts of material to educate the language model on.

sorry man there aren't any shortcuts.

[–] A_Very_Big_Fan 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

so you think if the AI is local the corpus it's been taught upon doesn't need to be stored?

You don't need to store the training data. What's "hilarious" is how confidently incorrect you are.

This, for example, is a model small enough to run on your phone that was trained on ~895GB of data.

Even if I did need to keep all of that data, and even if I also needed to train it myself, what's stopping me from just stealing all the equipment I need if I'm the last person on earth???

[–] mojofrododojo 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

and what use would this be to someone after the world ends?

AGAIN THE POWER REQUIREMENTS BELLEND.

Do you have a fusion reactor in your pocket?

And a freshwater source the size of a lake? because you'll need both to run the data center required to run anything USEFUL.

phew..... steal all the equipment you want, you wouldn't be able to do shit all with it. just keeping a single data center UP would be a herculean task for a single person - without robots or trained monkeys or alien buds to help you I'm exceptionally dubious.

I can just imagine you pushing a shopping cart of 4080ti's through the hellscape towards a data center thinking "shit yeah I GOT this apocalypse solved" l-o-fucking-l

[–] A_Very_Big_Fan 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You need that amount of power to provide that service for hundreds of millions of people simultaneously, like ChatGPT. Do you seriously think it takes that amount of equipment and power to output to a single device?

I linked you to one that runs locally on a phone, dude. Here's a whole list of pre-trained LLMs you can run on an average computer. 🤷‍♀️

[–] mojofrododojo 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

your tiny PC and phone based LLMs are going to be fuck-all useful after the apoc. Oh yeah "ClimateBert’s Hugging Face" sounds like just the thing to help you survive.

the only significant advantage an LLM is going to offer is the illusion of company, and they only way you'll get it is a giant data center.

you'd be better off having wikipedia summarized by a chatbot, but again, it's gonna require grunt and storage.

just because something can be stripped down to run on any device doesn't make it useful.

[–] A_Very_Big_Fan 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So you do unironically think it takes that amount of equipment and power to output to a single device lmao

[–] mojofrododojo 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I can't tell if you're fucking dense or can't read.

A LLM RUN ON A PHONE WILL DO YOU FUCKALL GOOD.

you uninformedly think you can run an AI worth a damn on your phone - and the corpus to teach it?

fuck off, you stupid git. good luck with your HAL 9. You're gonna walk through the apocalypse with a moron. Which fits, you'll be equals.

[–] A_Very_Big_Fan 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Here's a RaspberryPi doing a variety of tasks with various LLMs, like programming and accurately describing a picture.

There's a literal mountain of evidence of what these models can do. It's been fun making you rage :3

[–] agent_flounder 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Neanderthals (and humans for that matter) did indeed but they did it in groups, usually. Being alone really stacks the odds against you I think.

[–] dual_sport_dork 14 points 8 months ago

Well, you're going to have a much harder time taking down wooly mammoths, that's for sure.

[–] CaptainBlagbird 7 points 8 months ago

etc. should be well within the reach of anyone capable of reading this. Neanderthals could do it, so can you.

Oh you greatly overrate us internet people... 🧌