Now, I realize Israel and it's people have had a long and storied history of being persecuted by others, however, there's a limit to how far you can stretch that sort of "woe is us" pity when the modern history of the country most representative of modern Judaism -- at least, that's how I kind of thought of it, a sort of "Jewish Vatican/Mecca", correct me if I'm wrong as I'm not Jewish -- will be recorded as not only actively engaged in committing such terrible acts (no matter the enemy), but is proud of it. I could see them trying to deny or "deny" it, you know, pay these IDF atrocities lip-service and give commanders a light finger-wag, that sort of thing. It's the Israeli government after all, anyone who thinks they don't have a massive intelligence apparatus shaping opinions at home and abroad is a fool -- but for so many to be as proud of it as they are, god. I should be over this by now, but it's just... upsetting. Make no mistake, the acts they commit today will be written about in the history textbooks, and they will be used to justify further future antisemitism -- anyone who doesn't fear another Adolf Hitler hasn't been paying attention to the fucking news. This cycle of hate shouldn't continue, and yet I see no end in sight.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Israel is not representative of modern Judiasm. It's representative of modern settler colonialism. There are a lot of Jews who have opposed the existence of Israel since the idea of Zionism came up. Don't conflate Judiasm with colonialism in it's name.

[–] peg 2 points 9 months ago

That's antisemitic talk.

[–] dual_sport_dork 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The problem is that the Israeli government itself deliberately conflates itself/Zionism with Judiasm as a whole specifically so they can screech "antisemitism!!!!!!" at every single criticism they receive regardless of whether or not is valid.

This is not only bullshit, but also actively undermines progress against actual antisemitism elsewhere by poisoning the signal-to-noise ratio by perpetually being the Boy Who Cried Wolf.

For anyone non-Jewish looking for a scrap of perspective on the matter, remember after 9/11 when every response from every conservative about every overtly shady thing they did was to parrot, "Why do you hate America???????" It's pretty much the same idea.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Exactly.

[–] Skullgrid 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Israel is not representative of modern Judiasm

well, Saudi arabia/afganistan is not representative of modern islam, but here we are. Do you think Muslim majority, largely secular countries like being compared to theocratical shitholes? no.

if you're just joining us, the thread is about how assholes like to make it seem that criticism of israel is antisemitism, whch is what archonet is talking about.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Great if you believe that, but how many other people do? How do you think it will change things in the eyes of all the far-right parties on the rise today?

They won't care.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The far-right simultaneously aligns with Israel and uses it to fuel their antisemitism. They don't care about facts or the truth because their only focus is power. That's why it's so critical to always call out the fact that Israel does not represent Jews.

It is critical to call out the contradictions of Israel so that people who do care about facts are not as easily fooled by the far-right.