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This movie could easily be seen as a world where Germany won WW2, so I think they had to include that part about Japan being bombed to prevent that.
It’s an egalitarian military oligarchy. They know no race or gender, as long as you’re doing your part you can be a citizen too.
I don’t think that fits very well with what Hitler had planned…
it is an in-universe propaganda film in a fascist regime. it is not the nazi fascism, but it is still facism
It not being Nazi fascism while still being fascism was sorta their whole point
Of course it is, I didn’t say otherwise no? Just that it isn’t a race based regime. Any human can be a full member of the apparatus. No herrenrasse here
It's just war propaganda every non fascist country has also done that.
They had to throw in some POC as well.
You don't have to know race once gwhite is the only race around...
? The federation is explicitly above that. Women and non-white men are shown as equals and in positions of power throughout the series.
Riiiight... white boys are just so thoroughly over-represented due to sheer coincidence, is that it?
It's pure white liberalism on a stick - throw in some tokens and suddenly everything is (supposedly) "non-racial."
Im not sure what your problem is. It is established as such in the lore of the universe. The UCF may be a totalitarian militaristic war machine, but everyone who does a tour of duty gets to be a citizen, regardless of their race or sex. There is even the (in)famous shower scene of the first movie, showing them all showering together. Men, women, white, black, all grunts for the meat grinder. The later installments have a black general, an Indian sky marshal, and a woman as sky marshal (the highest rank in the system, the supreme commander of the forces).
Why are you hellbent on trying to make it an ethnostate? The xenophobia is wholly externalized towards a mandatory hatred of the bugs.
Oh, I can see that... you seem completely oblivious as to how how your fantasy world mirrors the real one it was based on - and the implications of the political subtexts that seem to fly straight over your head.
Isn't that the same fairy tales they used to tell us about the US?
So I guess the US ending up with Obama in the Waffle House meant the US magically stopped being a fundamentally white supremacist state, huh? Which must mean that your fantasy UCF must also be utterly "non-racial?"
Since when does white supremacism require an ethnostate? Did you forget how fond white supremacism is of keeping the "other" around to do all the heavy lifting, perhaps?
Lemmy as fuck
Every good fiction is anchored in reality, why does that require that every facet of the United States must be mirrored in the movies? People aren’t going around ranting about the empire in Star Wars being acshully nazi germany in space, they can accept it as an intriguing mix of reality and fantasy.
Aside from that, it’s literally canon that the federation system only cares about who served and who didn’t. If you want to read this as the American myth, alright, and I’m not denying that it might be a hollow lie to keep the war machine running. You know, because the whole series is about a brutish xenophobe system of imperialism and utter disregard for life.
You’re also glossing over the other two prominent examples of women and people of color being in the highest echelons of power within the federation, because that doesn’t fit your narrative very well. When does "white supremacy" become just supremacy?
Anyway I’m heading out, you have to be the most condescending dick I had the displeasure of interacting with on here.
Because it already is. Your UCF is a perfect example of a civilization that pretends itself to be "non-racial" - just like the real-world USA... and all of "western" civilization, in fact.
Oh... you completely missed that part. Oh well... I'm not reposting it for you - except to remind you that in 2016 you nearly got a girl-boss arch-imperialist for a president that was literally groomed for the position by the US's own Heinrich Himmler-level war criminal. So what exactly do you think you are achieving by pointing out how diversified the UCF is, liberal?
It doesn't. It remains white supremacism - it doesn't matter how many space ships you throw in there.
Misunderstanding the movie for 500, Alex
How so? Understanding the societal structure of the federation doesn’t mean I’m not aware it is intended as a parody.
If Germany won world war 2 in that movie, why were all the characters clearly descended from Germans hiding in South America after ww2?
I assumed they conquered the world.