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well it's don't just vote for the lesser of two evils...
but i don't remember anyone saying biden was the only thing needed to stop the arming of israel...
I said that.
Biden can solely stop the arming of israel by declaring they are committing human rights violations which would prevent arms exports.
Do you honestly think people haven’t noticed that your entire account is nothing but anti-Biden rhetoric?
You might want to pepper your comments with some authentic sounding *bOtH siDeS” rhetoric if you really want to sound believable.
What part of right-wing propaganda are you having trouble understanding?
I don't see how you're having trouble understanding that anti-genocide rhetoric can also come from the left. I would actually wager that the majority of genuine critiques surrounding the Biden administration's support of genocide would not be from Republicans, since most of those fascists love the idea of killing natives in the name of forming a white ethnostate.
I doubt there are many Trump supporters who want to eliminate the existence of trans/minorities while also saying "FREE PALESTINE" on random lemmy posts lmfao.
I guess you could take the position that they're not genuine critiques, that every critique of Biden is a false flag Trump supporter or direct KGB agent from Russia, because who in their right mind would actually give a fuck about a genocide happening to others. They're not American, so fuck them right?
If that last paragraph resonates with you, then I'd ask you to consider who in this conversation is actually the close-minded bigot. If it doesn't, then you have to recognize that there are genuine, valid critiques of Biden coming from the left, and it's hard to stomach the idea of going out and openly supporting a president in favor of furthering Israel's genocidal campaign.
What part of propaganda are you not understanding? MAGA tried to overthrow democracy, do you think they’d have a moral dilemma over whether or not to falsely pose as far-left trolls demanding everyone not vote for Biden?
It’s been incredibly successful, and at the end of the day- and I want you to think HARD on this:
Who benefits from all the lefties dropping out of voting?
Take your time on this one. I want you to really think about.
I think the majority of Trump supporters can barely get on the internet successfully, let alone infiltrate Lemmy so deeply that 99% of the anti-genocidal rhetoric are false flags. You need some actual data to back this claim, and I don't know if you've ever talked to a Republican, but they're not exactly known for their ability to empathize with other positions, they have serious trouble explaining what a socialist position even is, they genuinely don't understand it.
If someone online is coherent in their explanation of a leftist position, they're probably a leftist.
Potentially Palestine. I've explained this countless times to you moderate libs, and I have no idea how you can't figure this out on your own, it's not complicated.
If it's abundantly clear to Biden and Democrats in 2024 that they lost due to their genocide support, and they want to win in 2028, guess what they might do? Stop supporting genocide.
What worked in 2020? Anti-Trump rhetoric. What are they trying in 2024? Anti-Trump rhetoric. It's valid rhetoric, but it also allows them to keep positions they want (e.g funding pro-U.S ethnostates), and ignore positions the vast majority of leftists want (free Palestine).
If anti-Trump rhetoric fails in 2024 because supporting genocide is too big of a problem, guess what might happen in 2028 that would otherwise not happen? They could stop supporting genocide to get the votes back and return to power.
Literally so unbelievably simple, yet so many people like you don't reason it out on your own. I don't know if it's purposeful ignorance or genuine stupidity.
Cool. Enjoy even MORE genocide from 2024-2028. Hope your faces can live without the noses you cut off in spite.
When you’re willing to grow up- we can finish this conversation. Until then, it’s pointless to continue.
More genocide? This is the most killing we've had in the region since the formation of Israel, INCLUDING the four years where Trump was already president.
You're just making shit up now to support your own position. It's pathetic.
Yep. It will be even more under Trump. Mark my words and have a good day.
It will be more no matter who is president, mark my words.
If Biden wins in 2024, you'll rejoice, and the killing will ramp up as it already has been under his presidency. It will get worse and worse until Israel succeeds in eradicating what they call "human animals".
If Trump wins the same thing will happen.
The only difference is in 2028, as I previously outlined, and as you so easily ignored because you have a gross inability to see more than 4 years into the future. That's a general problem with humanity, the ability to think about long term consequences, and you're a perfect instantiation of that problem.
If Trump wins, there won’t be a 2028 election. Do you think a “dictator for a day” is going to be content for it lasting just a day?
Your gross inability to see things outside of your manufactured outrage to me, is an even greater threat to humanity. Because you’re clearly very easily swayed by misinformation and propaganda.
People said the same thing in 2016, that if he was elected there wouldn't be a 2020 election. They were completely wrong.
He was president for 4 years. He attempted to seize power. He failed. He's incompetent, he's old as shit, there's a moderate chance that he would die in office, and there's an extremely high chance he'd fail to overthrow the U.S government again. He didn't suddenly become more competent in his 70s, he didn't go out and study how to overthrow the U.S. He didn't learn from his mistakes, we're talking about Trump. He's a pathetic old man that is grasping for power and failing despite having a cult following.
Your inability to accept these simple facts is hilarious. Then you project your incompetence to me because you're frustrated when faced with someone just saying simple, true things that are irrefutable.
Mmmmmmkay.
this can't be proven. no matter who wins and what the outcome is vis-a-vis the genocide in gaza, you can't prove what would have happened had another candidate won. it's called a "counterfactual", and it categorically cannot be proven.
Biden “supporting genocide” can’t be proven either. At least if you understand the nuance of the situation and are paying attention to the decades long treaties- what they consist of, and what constitutes protocol.
But don’t let this get in the way of suggesting that only one side of the argument pay attention to semantics.
Fitting name by the way. I like when you people come out and just blatantly ask to be blocked.
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it sure can. he is materially supporting it by continuing to allow weapons and funds to flow to israel despite being the chief diplomat. he is rhetorically supporting it by, and you might need to look this up, claiming to be a zionist after they launched their latest genocidal incursion.
It's really uncomfortable how many blue magas have been coming out of the woodwork to tell me how excited they are for us (women, minorities, foreigners) to get what's coming when Trump wins because we didn't vote Biden.
Like don't they understand how that makes them look? Baffling, really.
It's been wild to learn as a socialist how many liberals are more than happy to ignore genocide so long as their side wins in an election between a fiscal conservative (Biden) and a pseudo-fascist (Trump).
The Biden administration and the party as a whole have been steadfast in their support of Israel's genocidal campaign, despite their constituents' firm disapproval of it. The only way to get them to change is to speak their language (remove them from power and make it clear it's due to genocide support).
Yet so many of you refuse to consider it because this is more like a sports game that you want to win everytime, rather than actually investigating the material results of the election.
There are too damn many leftists saying Assad is a good person
You kind of just…. Did- yourself here.
And- It’s amazing how on a far-left leaning platform, you all still manage to have unpopular opinions. I’ll tell ya….
It’s refreshing to finally see people calling you all out for what you seem to be. There’s hope for lemmy yet!
Who is the current president right now, Donald Trump?
Is Donald Trump going to stop Joe Biden being complicit in Genocide?
And what you're saying is not even true I have plenty criticized Republicans.
I’m pretty sure anyone can see what I’m saying for themselves. But whatever you want to thing.
It’s still a free country.
Yes people that can see that Biden is the one complicit in Genocide.
It's like DNC voters have turned into the 2016 MAGA cult, purely voting for Biden no matter what he does.
Biden is supposed to not be the Fascist Genocide guy.
That guy is probably a bot
I got a bunch of these tagged as Russian Shills. They love it when i point that out 🥰
Far left rhetoric and right-wing propaganda is almost indistinguishable.
From an establishment, pro-corporate view, I can see how populist rhetoric on both sides sounds similar. Scratch beyond the surface, and it becomes plain to see why right wing populists are given carte-blanche, and leftists are given the silent treatment.
It’s like far-left anti-voters have turned into the 2016 and 2020 Russian disinformation bots, purely intending on disrupting democracy America.
It's like liberals have turned into 2016 Trump supporters willing to vote for their God Emperor no matter what he does.
Naaah, it’s more like ACTUAL Americans doing what it takes to save democracy even while a bunch of seemingly ignorant and petulant children are working hard to make it as difficult as possible.
Are you seriously trying to suggest that I’m in support of genocide? I really need you to be clear on this:
You’re fully committed to this misinformation campaign of yours it seems, so there’s no point in exercising futility in arguing with someone giving off VERY STRONG shill vibes.
Have a…. day.
According to my calculations, Joe Manchin is President and consistently tells Biden what he’s allowed to do