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[–] Seleni 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Polite counterpoint: segregation laws, housing zoning restrictions, and ugly laws.

Even though these have been repealed, even today their echoes are felt. And in many cases, they are still unofficially enforced (especially the housing).

If you want a more modern counterpoint, then look no further than the issues currently surrounding textured hair. Banning African Americans from having traditional hairstyles, forcing anyone who wants to learn how to do traditional braiding to go through months of expensive ‘official beauty courses’ and get a license, and even making them use products to force their hair to be more like the hair of caucasians.

Yes, it may be a ‘minor’ example compared to forcing people of color to use different entryways and drinking fountains, but that is how it goes for people of color: no longer is it one or two big laws, but a whole slew of subtle discrimination and tiny laws chipping away at them wherever they go and whatever they try to do. A death of a thousand cuts, so to speak. Add that on top of poverty, or chronic illness, or disability, and I’m sure you can see climbing up the ladder is much, much harder.

I know it is hard to walk a mile in the shoes of another, but you may want to take a moment to really, deeply look into what they have to put up with every day of their lives just for having skin that isn’t lily-white. Or for being disabled, or of a gender minority, or really anything else that isn’t straight, white, and male, for that matter.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Is this your field? I figured making people do some form of certification was more for the purposes of hygiene and preventing diseases.

[–] Seleni 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It is—for regular hairdressers, since they have to work with dangerous chemicals and such. But for a woman who only wants to sell her services at braiding textured hair, they still force her to go through the full beautician school and licensing and fees. That’s just plain stupid (and discrimination).

It was put in place simply to dissuade women of color from offering services to other women of color, and seriously, fuck that. In fact, several courts have agreed and allowed the women who sued over it to simply pay for a regular business license.

But they still had to go to court for it. Yet another inconvenience, another roadblock they have to spend time and money clearing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Could it be that the administration staff at whichever state department like health or some licensing office are just ignorant to the culture? Maybe they didn't understand?

If they sued and got the required training down, then I'm guessing the health groups aren't worried about lice or some other thing.

I can only speak from limited experience, which is why I ask things instead of assuming, but I haven't met any state policy people here that would intentionally try to keep women of color from owning businesses. There are all types of people in those state departments, at least here.

I would think it would be the opposite. If you enable people to open businesses, you create opportunities to remove negative life conditions.

Maybe there's an aspect of 'well everyone else has to do that requirement', so we're treating people the same. That wouldnt seem like discrimination if it was only thought out of ignorance of what the service actually entails.

How's your area and government? You think there's still old rich white men trying to road block? I feel like those dinosaurs would be dying off. Edit, as where I work, any hint of that attitude would get you destroyed. As it should be.

Second edit, I submit more proof people are ignorant of certain cultural things:

We have a niece that is mixed African and Guatemalan descent from her parents. When she stays with us, we have a really hard time doing anything with her hair, cuz we don't have any other products nor the knowledge. We had to ask a couple of people, which makes you feel real dumb, but it's a simple thing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Why you say counterpoint when you agree and say same stuff?

Once you're there, there are basically no ways up.

Add that on top of poverty, or chronic illness, or disability, and I’m sure you can see climbing up the ladder is much, much harder.

[–] Seleni 1 points 8 months ago

Okay… I guess I need to be simple, direct, and plain with you.

The bottom of the hole is much deeper for a PoC or a disabled person than for someone who is not. And climbing out of that hole is much harder for them than for someone who is not.