cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/1902564
its actually more like 5-7 books
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How is disco Elysium leftist? Didnt play it, so honestly asking
It's very leftist; the dialogue is full of political speak with honest critiques of different ideologies. The story itself is set in Revachol, a place where a communist revolution was crushed by the Coalition (a foreign capitalist military alliance of the most powerful countries and somewhat of a stand-in for NATO), similar to what happened to Libya and the USSR.
The game centers around you (a cop) trying to solve a murder mystery that has something to do with the local Dockworkers' Union striking for overtime pay, workplace democracy etc from a megacorporation.
Alot of the creators are also communists, as you can see from one of the (ex) writers for the game recently saying that the workplace culture after the recent lay-offs of alot of the writers was like "transitioning from the Soviet Union to the fascist Russian Federation"
How's that different from call of duty being a capitalist mouthpiece
Because the quality of Disco Elysium comes from it feeling like a piece if art that stays with you, it is absolutely written by left leaning writers but it's mature and elegant in it's storytelling tbaf happens to revolve around those ideologies.
Call of duty is a for-profit propaganda tool of the US government that is rimarily a multiplayer arena shooter designed to optimise profits due to gaming addictions while passively normalising American world police imperialism.
Apologies for any typos I wrote this while drunk.
Last CoD I played was 2. Crazy what this at that time really cool franchise became.
If being the world police is wrong then I don’t wanna be right!
who here said anything about call of duty?
edit: in case you were genuinely asking in good faith, it's different because disco elysium is not a capitalist mouthpiece
It's just weird that people call games political as if it's unusual in the first place, and what'sa bad thing.
The original reply to you wasn't negative about it being leftist/Political I don't think
It is.
NATO only got involved in Libya after the civil war was in full swing and Gaddafi's regime had been commiting crimes against humanity vs the civilian population where people were showing support for not his regime.
And NATO only went in with the authorization of the UN Security Council, and the left when the Security Council told them to (against the wishes of the newly formed government after the death of Gaddafi)
"The country was already in a terrible state after we funded countless insurgencies in it since forcing them to give up self-defence programs. We just went in and finished the job."
Libya had gone from one of the poorest countries in the world to having the highest human development index of any country in Africa by 2010 under the Socialist government, and became a powerful anti-capitalist force in Africa. The US and UK forced Libya to give up their nuclear weapons program in 2003 and used the resulting lack of a deterrent to fund insugencies in the country, then used that as a casus belli to invade and destroy it in 2011.
Come on, we've seen this play out time and time again with the US and its allies (or the Imperial core in general). Be it the wars in Vietnam, Cuba, Afganistan or the countless coup's against leftist governments in Africa and Latin America. Every single time saying that their governments are bad or something as an excuse to invade and destroy a threat to imperialism, as if them waging wars and killing people on the other side of the world is supposed to improve something.
We're literally watching this happen in Palestine right now with the US-backed "israel" forcing Palestinians to use armed resistance against their oppressors, then using that as a casus belli by calling it "terrorism" to invade and commit the ongoing genocide.
Bro, Gaddafi literally had rape rooms in his palace.
Source: Imperial core propaganda
Even in an alternate timeline where that's not just war propaganda, does this in any way justify fucking invading and destroying a country on another continent?
Uh huh.
Hey, who killed Gaddafi?
Was it an invading army?
How many NATO boots were on the ground?
Sure seems like a guy who was just building a socialist utopia, no notes, would have to do something pretty wild to prompt all the people getting free college educations and all basic needs guaranteed to try and kill him.
If you want to argue that he was better than the alternative, knock yourself out, but pretending decades of women lied about their victimization is fucking disgusting.
You don't need to lie about his crimes to point out NATO interventionism was purely self interested, that they didn't give a shit about his personal evils compared to his anti-imperialism and that his removal has been a disaster for the Libyan people, but you also don't need to pretend that his personal crimes are balanced out by his socialist reforms either.
Almost like it was instigated by US/UK interference after forcing them to give up their nuclear deterrence, as they have done and continue to do to Socialist and leftist governments in Latin America and Africa to justify invasion and intervention. This is nothing new.
Feel free to cite a source with evidence for those claims about Gaddafi btw. Afaik there are none aside from anonymous sources with no evidence, which is the most common way the US and its allies make propaganda.
Your reply was to my comment pointing out that the destabilization and then the invasion of Libya by NATO was wholly unjustified, as all imperial core invasions are. If you agree with that what are you even trying to argue about?
Don't bother lol. These dogs of the empire will believe whatever bullshit their governments tell them to try justifying their imperialism, no evidence needed. Be it WMDs or whatever.
The idiot below actually believes the "mass rape" shit their government mouthpieces told them that their own media have debunked.
Also, "immediately" they say lmao when it took the combined strength of the US and UK 8 years to destabilize. And they only could because Libya gave up their nuclear deterrent.
Yeah, bro, I'm sure the dictator with a cadre of all female bodyguards chosen for their looks (who there are individual testimonies of rape from) was on the up and up on consent.
Can't imagine why a Muslim nation that's barely done with a civil war with mass rape used as a tool by all sides isn't teeming with women and men that trust the West to protect them if they testify publicly, even if it they didn't consider it shameful to spreak of it at all.
But, hey, you're right, a socialist utopia's greatest weakness will always be some shitposting foreign spies. Just collapses public support immediately.
Can't possibly be all the rape and execution of dissidents.
It’s a highly political game in general, and it’s pretty obvious the critiques of communism were written by insiders.
It’s also the best illustration of the complexities of investigative police work I’ve ever seen in a computer game.
It’s also a lot of dialogue. But the voice acting is superb.
Themes and dialogue? It pretty clearly favors the more anti-authoritarian forms of socialism while heavily criticizing communism and fascism. The ultra-liberals come off the best of the lot but it's also made clear that they offer no solutions to the problems the city has and capital will always call the shots at the expense of workers.
Also, on a meta level, the creators got screwed over by capitalists because that's just what a scorpion will do if you give it a ride across a river.
I also liked that it doesn't say that all followers of an ideology are good or bad people. A lot of media that tries to tackle ideologies just make everyone in the general direction of an opposing ideology horrible people. In Disco Elysium is not as black and white. There are good and bad people in every broad ideology. Are you a bad person, just because you believe in capitalism? No. Are you a good person, just because you believe in communism? Also no. Disco Elysium is very nuanced while making it's cases.
There was a good Royalist? I'm guessing you mean Rene, because it sure wasn't Gary the Cryptofascist or Measurehead or the Racist Lorry Driver. Imo the only thing that stopped Rene from becoming someone like Dros were his relationships with Gaston and Evrart. If he had been "alone" the way Dros was then the investigation may have gone quite differently
It's very reminiscent of the Paris commune, where Parisian pre-marxist socialists were killed almost to the last by the french army after they'd built a short-lived commune. It was basically the end of the Proudhonist idea of socialism (no gods, no masters), which provided space for Marxism to take over in France and particularly in Paris.
Or maybe they were really good at coming up with stuff, but really bad at managing projects. And when the organization grew to more than a few people they couldn’t handle it anymore and couldn’t deliver on what they had committed to.
Everyone has a story in this particular screw up, and while I really would like the moral to be “capitalism bad/creatives good”, it sounds like your average SME implosion.
"Hey, all the creators keep saying this went down, but I do love the taste of corpro cock, so I'm just going to make up my own version."
It’s been pretty widely documented from all sides. You might want to widen your reading habits if you think it’s cut and dried.
It’s very much not.
Also “taste corpro cock”? Are you twelve? Isn’t it past your bed time?
Widely documented that all the creatives blame a corporate takeover, yeah, bootlicker.
Not all. Just three. Actually, two. And one of them has mellowed quite a lot in the last year or so. So just one.
Out of the tens of people that were involved with that game.
You are coming at this from a place of prejudice. Just listen.
I did listen, and said "Hey, this useful idiot is lying!"
Btw:
https://videogames.si.com/news/disco-elysium-dev-zaum-layoffs-last-writer-speaks-out
Not to me, to the “creatives” you claim to love so much. Or do you only listen to “creatives” whose last name is “kurvitz”? Talk about sucking cock.
Lul, yeah, just the one guy.
Hey, when your boss fucks your wife, does he let you watch or do they make you listen through the wall?
How did the creators get screwed over?
There's a lot out there about this, you'd be better off searching for articles or videos on the topic.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/1auprxl/whats_the_deal_with_disco_elysium_review_bombers/
There's a lot to be said about these dramas always being more complex than an outsider can fully understand, not to mention no one having time for 2 hour YouTube deep dives on video game drama, but I think ultimately the result speaks for itself.
An artist collective created an amazing game with real staying power in the industry, and then the business majors forced all them out and didn't even manage to keep pumping out mediocre products in the process, much less more greatness.
That's why I'll never understand the kneejerk bootlickers, the corporate ghouls weren't even good at being ghouls! They killed the goose and then burned the meat! They could have exploited those nerds for DECADES!
I believe the devs are proud marxists, they thanked Marx and Engels when the game won many awards.