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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Should have thought about it before she left. She knew what she was doing. As did plenty of others that went. She's had a shit time off it yes, but it's all her own doing. She's alive and obviously getting support from somewhere. Unlike a lot of others that went. They're dead.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago

I'm all for appropriately punishing people for the crimes they commit. But we usually don't deprive solo-nationality citizens of their citizenship (leaving them stateless) for the crimes she is accused of - this is a punishment that is only being applied to UK (including UK-only) nationals who have recent foreign ancestors (i.e. so who could hypothetically - but often not in practice - be eligible for another country's citizenship - in her case, Bangladesh). We also don't usually apply extreme punishments like this to people for crimes committed as children, and we don't usually punish children who were groomed and sex trafficked by terrorists as if they were the perpetrators.

The reality is that if Shamima Begum was a blonde-haired blue-eyed white girl whose parents and grandparents were all from Surrey, the media would have described her as a victim of sex trafficking; and the law that permits this punishment to be applied to her could not even have been used.

The legal system should not treat UK citizens differently according to whether or not the Tories think they look a bit foreign.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (2 children)

She was a 15 year old girl, groomed online and trafficked to Syria, by someone known to and potentially aided by, Canadian intelligence services. She was forced into a marriage (again she was 15 so could not give consent to this) and had 3 children (all of whom died as infants).

Yes she's done some awful things during her time with IS, but given her age at the time and the difference between her and, for example, "the beatles" group who were conducting beheadings, is huge.

She should be returned to the UK, face criminal justice for her crimes, sentenced accordingly and serve that sentence as what she is, a British citizen.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If she was white she would have been home years ago and they'd have serialised her daring feminist struggle to free herself from Islamist brainwashing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Yup, Sam Elhassani was home ages ago and she went as a grown adult and there's more evidence in the public domain that she was active in the group.

[–] CatpainTypo 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Are people allowed to make mistakes? Are some mistakes beyond forgiveness? Should someone pay for their mistakes forever?

[–] Maalus 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, some mistakes are beyond forgiveness. Becoming part of a terrorist organization is one such "mistake". Especially because she is now a threat to the nation's security. Cause you know, terrorists.

[–] Mr_Blott 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This includes Americans then lol

[–] Maalus 6 points 10 months ago

Yes, nationality is unimportant when talking about people who join terrorist organizations.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

She was a kid!