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Donald Trump’s plan for a 16-week, national abortion ban wasn’t supposed to be public. Democrats are ready to pounce

LATE LAST WEEK, the New York Times reported that Donald Trump privately told his allies he backs a 16-week national abortion ban with some exceptions. Inside the Trump campaign, the news was immediately met with deep annoyance, anger, and a scramble for damage control, two people familiar with the matter tell Rolling Stone.

Prior to the report, the former president and 2024 GOP frontrunner had repeatedly stressed to advisers that he wants to avoid announcing specific abortion policy positions, at least during this stage of the election cycle, sources close to him say. This is, of course, largely because he understands the dismantling of Roe v. Wade — which he engineered — has become a grave political liability for Republicans.

Members of Trump’s senior staff were maddened by the leak to the Times, venting to one another that whoever blabbed to the media about this wasn’t being helpful, the two sources recount. They weren’t the only ones upset by it: The report also served to inflame some of the anti-abortion movement’s most uncompromising figures, who lashed out at Trump for being insufficiently “pro-life.” Some Republican lawmakers on Capitol Hill winced at the news too; they, like Trump, hoped to spend the first half of 2024 talking about abortion as little as possible, according to one GOP lawmaker who bemoaned the recent string of conservatives’ election losses that have largely been attributed to “the Dobbs effect.” Democrats, on the other hand, were thrilled.

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[–] NocturnalMorning 76 points 9 months ago (15 children)

A national abortion ban will bring people out protesting that have never protested before. Would probably also mean states ignoring federal law. Would lead to a lot of chaos honestly, never thought abortion ban could be the trigger for a civil war, but it might. Scary stuff.

[–] ComicalMayhem 28 points 9 months ago (13 children)

I agree with national unrest and protests, but imo a civil war would be over before it began. America as a country hasn't been pumping billions into the industrial war complex for no reason; anyone on the other side of the people who control the military are fucked.

[–] TaterTurnipTulip 6 points 9 months ago

You're vastly overestimating the US military's ability to deal with an insurgency. Did we quickly "win" in Iraq? Did we quickly "win" in Afghanistan? There may be some quick quelling of fighting, but we've proven to be terrible at managing insurgencies.

And there's the matter of just how many guns are present in the US. We have more guns than people. Over 400 million guns and growing. There are times where a lone gunman in Afghanistan was able to occupy an outpost for hours just by taking a few shots, moving position, taking a couple more shots, and then leaving.

Any civil war will be long, messy, and involve a LOT of different factions.

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