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[–] Ghostalmedia 266 points 1 year ago (35 children)

The big user experience problem is everyone is getting funneled into Lemmy.world and Lemmy.ml, and they can’t scare fast enough.

But Lemmy is federated. So signup for a smaller instance. You’ll still be able to subscribe and post to communities on other instances.

[–] kobra 76 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Ha, I applied to two smaller instances and have heard nothing but radio silence. The smaller instances are of no help if they don’t let anyone in.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Use and recommend lemm.ee, lemmy.one, and vlemmy.net to others

Seriously, stop recommending large servers when lemmy hasn't been optimized for that yet. The point of decentralization is spreading out and still being connected; let's not waste that advantage.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I run https://thelemmy.club - people are always welcome here :)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Where my VLemmy peeps at?!? 🙌

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah, boooyyyyyy! 🙌🙌🙌🙌

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[–] NoRodent 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ok, but what if the instance I choose just ends suddenly? Do I understand it correctly that on each one I have to create a new account and re-subscribe to all the communities etc,?

[–] Coelacanth 19 points 1 year ago

That's correct though account migration is planned for some point in the future, or at least noted as a desirable feature by the Devs. Maybe even linking accounts across instances?

Having to resubscribe to all your communities is annoying but I imagine third party apps could streamline that process when they get released/refined.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Aside from what Coelacanth said, those instances are no more likely to shut down than lemmy.world (I can't recall a Lemmy instance that's not for personal use ever shutting down); they've functioned just fine for years and have even been upgraded for the surge of users too

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

well this just happened with vlemmy.net, i was affected by this and had to manually resubscribe to 50 communities and recreate one, because of this someone made a tool to download your data off of lemmy and upload it to another instance https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim

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[–] Ghostalmedia 16 points 1 year ago

Fair point. Tye small one’s Re being hugged to death and aren’t letting any more people in, so people are gravitating towards the juggernauts, and the juggernauts are collapsing under their weight. 

Next couple weeks should be interesting

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

My instance (civilloquy.com) has open sign-ups. ;)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When I first joined, I never got a confirmation that my account had been accepted. After a few minutes, I just typed the username and password I used during registration and I was able to log in.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] sab 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't want to be locked in with a stelletje Nederlanders zoals ik.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I started on lemmy.ml but it was unusable for the past few days. Today I managed to get into programming.dev pretty quickly and it has been smooth sailing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When I applied, I never got a notification that it got approved, but I could post and comment on that instance. So you might have been in a similar situation as me or the admins are still dealing with a large influx of people

[–] kobra 6 points 1 year ago

Oh wow you're totally right. I was just able to log into one that I had never heard from! Thank you, good call!

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unless it defederates like beehaw keeps doing.

[–] Jane2187 8 points 1 year ago (8 children)

What's going on with beehaw? I'm a bit out of the loop.

[–] lunarshot 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Beehaw is a community that wants to create a specific type of experience for its users, it wants to create a safer space and has stricter rules.

I think it’s personally a non-issue that people get riled up about. They’ve temporarily defederated from lemmy.world because of the large spikes in new users and wanting to have the moderation tools necessary to handle that while keeping their community the way they want it.

There is a subset of new Lemmy users who think this experience needs to be Reddit 2.0, that it needs to be perfect and totally smooth for new users, or else it will fail?

Personally, I don’t agree. I don’t want Lemmy to be Reddit at all. In the last month, I’ve found that I didn’t realize just how bad my Reddit experience had become. I’m okay with the experience being a little rough around the edges here and adjusting together. It has become obvious based on how good my interactions were here. How solid and interesting the content was. I’m not fiending for my specific subreddits, I’m good to move on and find new areas to focus on the internet.

I have a separate account for Beehaw, all the iOS apps already have way way better functionality than the Reddit official app, I can seamlessly switch between accounts. It’s been absolutely amazing to see how much this site and experience has evolved in one month. I’m super excited for the future here.

[–] GregorGizeh 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One thing I don’t miss is the "culture"… I hope this shift into the fediverse frees comment sections of the endless same dumb low effort puns, and even worse puns in the replies. Or fucking award speeches in comment edits, the same shitty jokes that nobody likes but somehow still perpetuate…

I really look forward to something new

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I too like the rough around the edges. Little tricks and nuances I’ve picked up. Makes it fun.

[–] Ghostalmedia 29 points 1 year ago

All in all, they have some of the biggest communities for gay folks, Trans folks, and other minority groups. Lots of trolls from large open instances were shit posting lots of hateful crap in those communities.

The Lemmy’s mod tools are still kind of janky and they couldn’t keep pace with the toxic trolling, so they made the call to defederate from instances like Lemmy.world temporarily, until some new mod tools get built.

All the admins from the defederated instances get it and they all appear to be on the same page.

That said, users got pissed because beehaw has one of the best tech communities. So now people on Lemmy.world don’t have their posts / comments show up in those communities.

Basically, they had two shitty options, and they went with protecting the vulnerable minority.

It’s temporary.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Beehaw defederated from other instances as users were getting around bans by creating new accounts on those instances. The admins in question are talking about how to address this.

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[–] cucumberbob 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Post by beehaw admins

Basically, due to the size and open registrations on some large instances, Beehaw admins decided to defederate because they didn’t have the manpower or systems in place to deal with the large volume of content.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was on world at first because I thought each instance was its own subreddit, so I went with the one with the most users! After a day and a half I somewhat understand instances now and have switched to a smaller one. Hopefully other reddit refugees will do it too.

Thanks for being so welcoming and patient with us. I'm really glad to be here.

[–] venusenvy47 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Are you avoiding all interaction with the communities on lemmy.world, also? I'm not clear if I should just avoid using this .world account, or if I should avoid all .world communities to prevent overloading.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Just the account. If you post to lemmy.world from different instance, it's ok. Though be prepared that users may see your post with a delay depending on the state of lemmy.world.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

No I'm not avoiding anything at all. I personally switched instances, just to try and ease the load on the .world server while we flooded in here. I'm sure they would appreciate you switching to another one. I found my countries one, a bonus is that it comes with my local communities! Don't be put off by the smaller populated instances.

Also juuussssttt in case you weren't sure, generally speaking you have access to the same content between instances (some are more strict than others and don't allow certain content like NSFW stuff, but they do tell you in advance).

[–] mykl 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s where join-lemmy really missed out. They should have introduced a set of rules like join-mastodon where instances must have at least two admins, a clear code of conduct, and clear rules as to how they manage closedown. That way users would be reasonably safe in picking an instance at random. But they didn’t so everyone should go to safe choices like lemmy.world.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everyone keeps saying to join the smaller instances, but the reason people aren't is because they are harder to find and usually have application gates thrown up. Because you can't apply through the app, and because I am on mobile, I don't even know how many Instances I applied for and then forgot what the instance was even called by the time they may or may not have approved.

All of this needs to be laid out better from the get-go. Even simply listing a server strain metric or warning (even if it's something admins set themselves) would be useful.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I tried getting on both of those for a couple weeks. I could not get through on either. Found lemm.ee and have had zero issues.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I only had luck making an account on my 3rd attempt, on sh.itjust.works

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So signup for a smaller instance

Unless you want to create a community on that instance. You can only create communities in the instance you sign up.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

...so create your community on that instance. Others will still be able to access it just like you're accessing communities elsewhere.

Some instances disallow community creation. That's the only part where this argument has any merit. Otherwise which instance a community is on doesn't really matter.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Technically it doesn't matter, but I expect communities will take off better in instances better suited to it. I doubt a gaming community on lemmy.ca will become the massive gaming community. I doubt c/Toronto will take off in a UK instance. Etc.

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