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They do this all the time. Maybe Biden should call their bluff, execute his powers as Commander in Chief, and order the National Guard in Texas to turn on State Police.

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[–] givesomefucks 54 points 10 months ago (4 children)

You can't let what Republicans say dictate what you do

No matter what Biden does, they're going to do what they're going to do.

Even if he doesn't do the right thing now, they'll just lie some more and do it anyways.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

“Meet me in the middle,” says the unjust man.

You take a step towards him. He takes a step back.

“Meet me in the middle,” says the unjust man.

— A. R. Moxon

[–] orclev 33 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I see you've negotiated with Republicans before.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago

Malignant narcissist parents. I got started early.

[–] orclev 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I guess the flip side of that though is it's really past when everyone should keep trying to reason and compromise with these screaming toddlers. How many times now have we seen this exact thing play out where Republicans act completely unhinged and Democrats treat them with kid gloves and keep offering them compromises and trying to appease them. Fuck em. Ignore them until they cross the line, then come down on them like a ton of bricks. No more playing nice, no more treating them like reasonable adults. Wait until Abbott puts his name on something legally incriminating then send the FBI in to haul him to a jail in DC and try him for sedition. Bonus points if they can swing the death penalty.

[–] givesomefucks 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I mean, have you ever tried to sink to a toddlers level and get in a screaming match with them?

But sure, ideally we'd start running FDR style Dems again, get some of the 1/3 of the country who doesn't vote regularly, and conservatives can keep screaming into the void while Dems sweep every election that matters.

FDR literally only lost two states in 36, because he was legitimately trying to help the average American.

But the DNC is very open about not wanting that, and after NH I really think they'd go as far as ignoring results in a competitive primary in 2028.

So we're kind of stuck with trying to win over conservatives, that's the only direction the DNC recognizes as valid.

I've given up on winning the game, I'm just trying to lose as little as possible at this point. Definitely doesn't mean I have to like it either.

But the choice is try what we can or check out and watch it all burn down, I'm not ready for that yet.

Edit:

My bad, I didn't realize what you replied to.

I'm saying don't pay attention to what Republicans are threatening to do.

Regardless of what Biden does, they'll find an excuse to do it anyways. Because when Republicans try to explain why they're doing anything, they're almost always lying and just saying what they think the best answer is in the moment.

So Biden should have activated them immediately on title 10.

The longer he waits, the bigger chance a significant amount don't listen. And at that point it's a legit civil war.

[–] AutistoMephisto 5 points 10 months ago

Fuck em. Ignore them until they cross the line, then come down on them like a ton of bricks. No more playing nice, no more treating them like reasonable adults.

Damn straight! As a parent to an actual toddler, sometimes I have to take my son's toys away until he chooses to behave. Does that make me the "bad guy"? Maybe. But it's also part of being an adult.

[–] AutistoMephisto 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

No matter what Biden does, they're going to do what they're going to do.

Ah, another Innuendo Studios fan, I see. Yes, just like he said in "Alt-Right Playbook Ep. 3, 'You Go High, We Go Low'",

Republicans are going to cry "So much for the tolerant left!" no matter what form our opposition takes, so the obvious solution is to just ignore them. But clearly it's more complicated than that, or we wouldn't be having this issue.

This business with the border is another example of them going low, and Biden and Democrats trying to keep the moral high ground.

[–] givesomefucks 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Fuck that.

The high ground is fighting fascism.

Lincoln tried apeasment leading up to Civil War 1 and all that did was give the South time to build strength.

We just saw how bad of an idea it is to crush an insurrection slowly. And there are shit ton of examples of how well appeasing extremists works worldwide.

As soon as Abbots letter came out, Biden should have activated them under title 10, had them remove any remaining razor wire and the rest of the bullshit. If Abbott tried to move cops or a "militia", then everyone involved should be arrested for sedation.

This isn't normal republican bullshit from a decade ago.

This shit is as serious as conservative extremists make it. Giving in a little just emboldens them, and ignoring them does the same thing.

I say this as a veteran of the US military:

There's a shit ton of US active military who would be willing to overthrow the government for some conservative bullshit.

We can't underestimate them. Even if they're idiots, they're dangerous idiots.

[–] MotoAsh 2 points 10 months ago

I constantly tell Democrats this, and am constantly met with childish accusations of overreaction.

This country is completely fucked for the simple reason that there is literally no left wing. There is nothing to counter the unjust and illegal maneuvers fascists deploy that democrats are willing to use. It's pathetic.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

The Alt-Right Playbook is one of the best video essay series on YouTube 

[–] assassin_aragorn 1 points 10 months ago

You gotta counter with a "sure, but here are fair terms and conditions to have a clean break with the US"

I think they'll turn tail when corporations realize they'll be treated as foreign unless they relocate outside of Texas.