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[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

But if they don’t vote for him, fascists WILL win. This is not an opinion. It’s a hard truth. And that should be motivation enough for one to hold their nose and vote- THEN make the decision to pay attention more than once every four years.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

That same line gets thrown at leftists every election despite no concessions from liberals. Leftists are absolutely trying to make grassroots movement, but overcoming the liberal status quo and making positive change is tremendously difficult. Yes, leftists should vote for Biden, but the DNC should not be surprised that Leftists get desperate and can vote third party if the DNC continues to be a center-right Neoliberal mess.

[–] LesserAbe 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

If it's not motivating people whose fault is that?

I voted for Biden before and I'll do it again. I do think Trump is a threat to democracy. But if a restaurant goes out of business, is it reasonable or productive to say, "it's the person who didn't patronize our restaurant who did this"? "If it weren't for the naysayers and people going to our competitors we would have stayed open!"

Maybe the restaurant should have changed the menu. Maybe it should have offered better prices. Maybe they should have made it more welcoming and marketed better.

For people who don't want to eat shit, either don't offer them shit, explain how it's not shit, or make a pretty empathetic and convincing case why they've got to. My original point was that attempting to shame people and point the finger is not that winning case.

[–] aesthelete 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Except it isn't a restaurant, it's control of government, and a basic understanding of the rules of voting in the country shows that there are only two choices that have a reasonable chance of winning.

[–] LesserAbe 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And? If you want people to vote for the candidate you support, you have to convince them to do it!

[–] aesthelete 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah which takes ads, which require donations, and that is why politicians basically have to sell out in order to get votes.

EDIT: Everyone is right. The way the world works is that the Democratic candidate has to be a vaulted saint who single-handedly sheds decades old international alliances and ends all war and famine, is immune from money concerns, and disseminates his message via telepathy because traditional donations are beneath a being of his type...and he must be able to fully defeat a Republican demagogue who takes money from anyone, has the full support of Russia, and whose every utterance is covered in the press in addition to being a de-facto cult leader with a warchest of millions or even billions of dollars to be able to do traditional ad buys as well.

Completely reasonable 🙄

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's entirely reasonable to blame review bombers for reducing business

[–] LesserAbe 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's a convenient excuse to blame bad reviews for a restaurant closing. If the fundamentals of the business are good then bad reviews might hurt but aren't a fatal blow. We can push any analogy until it breaks, but your example is a good case where blaming bad reviews is a convenient way for a restaurant owner to absolve themselves of responsibility or having to think introspectively about why they're not doing well, similar to what Democratic leadership often does.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

How about NO analogies.

Staying home instead of voting because one is too busy pouring over a single issue ideology easily the most of tent and foolish thing one can do. The majority of these kids suffering people do this, and/or stating that they themselves are doing this- maybe should place been paying attention the over the last 8-10 years and being active about making change instead of whining o line ever four years.

There. No analogies.