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[–] FlyingSquid 24 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I think that shows that this is not the issue that is going to really hurt Biden. What will hurt him is if the economy for the average person hasn't improved by election day. And I doubt it will. So I sure as fuck hope he doesn't lose to Trump.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

But the news keeps telling me life is improving for the average American. The News.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

this is not the issue that is going to really hurt Biden

That's not my reading of the poll:

35% say it is, 36% say it isn’t, with 29% undecided.
Almost half of those surveyed aged 18-29, 49%, say Israel is committing genocide, with 24% disagreeing and 27% uncertain.
The figures are broadly similar for registered Democrats, who believe 49%-21% in the genocide characterization, while 30% are undecided.

Half of all young people and half of all Democrats believe it's a genocide, with more undecided than disbelieving. Those numbers are not likely to get better as the IDF kills more Palestinians.

Biden's not likely to pick up republican votes based on this issue, but he is quite likely to drive down youth and democrat turn out by being out of touch with his base.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think that shows that this is not the issue that is going to really hurt Biden.

How so?

[–] FlyingSquid 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Because it's not the issue people are caring the most about by any means.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

No? Half of Democrats believe it's a genocide, while only 21% believe it's not. The rest are undecided. This is a big deal, because even if a tenth of the people who believe it's a genocide decide to stay home that's enough to lose Biden the election.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No, unfortunately, this issue is now actually going to hurt Biden. Opinions are shifting much more rapidly than expected, but unless it's overwhelming, he's in a no-win scenario. The best hope at this point is that opinion continues to change rapidly, and Biden follows suit. But even that's only damage control. Too many are against Israel's genocide to ignore, and too many are pro-Israel's genocide to ignore. Either way he's going to lose votes.

[–] TokenBoomer 1 points 9 months ago

He could have threaded the needle by still supporting Israel , but stopping arms shipments and funds. But here we are. I still think he can steer the ship, but, yeah, he’s gonna lose votes. On the bright side, Trump’s numbers among Republicans are depressed too.