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  • Developers of Cities: Skylines 2 have noticed a growing toxicity in their community, which is affecting engagement and creativity.
  • The CEO of Colossal Order expressed concern about the negative impact of toxicity on the team and the community.
  • The developers still encourage helpful criticism from the community but ask for it to be constructive and kind.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Have they considered the likelihood of the increased toxicity being due to their business model and product performance?

No?

I didn't think so.

[–] Carighan 44 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That is entirely not an excuse to be an arsehole to someone you don't even know and for all you do could be your own sibling. The point exactly, btw.

It's how toxic people "justify" their own toxicity so they don't have to realize they're the asshole.

[–] time_lord 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

One could argue that they were the ass hole first by releasing an unfinished game. Just playing devils advocate here though.

[–] Carighan 5 points 10 months ago

Of course, but that's not on a personal insults level, after all. It's on a professional, "product unfit for purpose", level. As part of a commercial transaction, a goods purchase.

Hence your course of action would be:

  1. Refund the product.
  2. As deemed necessary, avoid that brand in the future.

But just like when your power drill doesn't work, calling the helpline then verbally abusing the call center person gets you nowhere, and just ruins someone else's day who had no say in the product disappointing you. And you didn't really improve your own situation either, you feel briefly improved by being able to vent but you are still sitting on having spent X money for an unfit product. At least get that money back, that's some genuinely action being taken.

[–] Boiglenoight 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Greed is inexcusable.

Toxicity is a consequence.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's a video game, you really don't have to play it. Just don't buy it if you don't like the devs so much.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

I didn't. I never played the game. I wanted to play the first one but then saw how many DLCs it has. I don't like this way of developing software, in bits and pieces, so I didn't want to support it. This changes nothing about the rest of the discussion though.

[–] regbin_ 2 points 10 months ago

Are we defending/justifying toxicity now?

[–] Boiglenoight 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Two wrongs don’t make a right. Just because someone chooses to be greedy doesn’t make it right for someone else to be toxic.

[–] FabledAepitaph 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Honestly, if one person or entity chooses to act shifty, then it should be okay to be shitty back. Please, let's have consequences. Let's not "let it slide" in the name of decorum or politeness. What motivation would people have to act less shitty in the future if everyone just turns the cheek and deals with it? Lol

[–] Boiglenoight 2 points 10 months ago

I don’t agree. Being better rather than the same is what makes the difference.

[–] Chriswild 3 points 10 months ago

Depends on what the greed is applied to. For a video game it's whatever but for medicine I completely disagree.