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The Department of Homeland Security had directed the state to stop blocking the U.S. Border Patrol’s access to roughly 2½ miles of the U.S.-Mexico border

Texas is refusing to comply with a cease-and-desist letter from the Biden administration over actions by the state that have impeded U.S. Border Patrol agents from accessing part of the border with Mexico.

In a letter to the Department of Homeland Security, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton rejected the Biden administration’s request for the state to “cease and desist” its takeover of Shelby Park, an epicenter of southwest border illegal immigration in Eagle Pass.

"Because the facts and law side with Texas, the State will continue utilizing its constitutional authority to defend her territory, and I will continue defending those lawful efforts in court," Paxton wrote.

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[–] Sweetpeaches69 86 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

What's the issue? Get a ton of federal agents, march on the border, arrest all obstructing Texas shitheads and beat them down with the book. Make examples out of them.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (3 children)

That will likely result in bloodshed. I think it's inevitable at this point unless Biden decides to completely roll over.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

There's not going to be any bloodshed. Texas National Guard soldiers want to go home safely every night, just like everyone else. I think the main issue is the border patrol doesn't want a conflict.

Biden could nationalize the Texas Guard troops at the fence. Then give them a direct order to open the gate. If they don't, dishonorable discharge for disobeying a direct order from the President. No pension, no nothing. They will open the gate.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

What happens after that? Does he de-nationalize them once the issue is sorted, or has Texas now lost full control permanently?

edit: I seem to have hit some nerve with a legitimate question? 7 downvotes???? I don't know how biden nationalizing the state guard works and what happens after.

[–] wanderingmagus 10 points 10 months ago

Same policy as with Southern states after the Civil War.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

I would argue that Texas has already done enough to be stripped of control permanently.

[–] stoly 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The reason people are downvoting you is because your question is "So what does Biden do with his authority after exercising his authority? Not exercise it more or exercise it forever?"

You think you have a gotcha, but really you just sound ignorant and angry.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

WTF? There's no gotcha there.

I seriously have no idea what happens after he does it. There's 0 anger in my question just trying to understand what it actually means.

It solves the immediate problem, but whats the aftermath.

Edit: And please do tell what kind of options beside eventually giving control back, or keeping control exist? I seriously don't know.

[–] stoly 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The National Guard is the "militia" that you hear about in the Constitution and such. Basically militias were brought up during the Revolutionary War and are what actually fought most of the battles. Those people wanted to ensure that militias would always be a thing so that in the future, oppression wouldn't occur.

In normal times, a governor is the head of a militia. But ultimately, the militias are part of the US military and always under the president. There are going to be laws and situations that Congress has spelled out over the years that say when this can or cannot happen, for how long it can last, etc.

In brief: during an emergency, the president or governor calls up the reservists. Think natural disasters and such. When the emergency is over, they go back home and back to their normal jobs.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This doesn't seem the same though?

In this case it's the state national guard interfering with federal business. They themselves are the emergency.

If he nationalizes them to resolve the situation (letting the border guard patrol the area) the moment he ends his control, Texas would just start up the interference again?

Is the outcome that he nationalizes it, and they remain under his control until a federal court orders Texas to comply, at which point he returns control to Texas?

[–] stoly 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You’d surely have a court order by that point preventing it from happening again. Courts can bring in marshals I’d think.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName 2 points 10 months ago

Ah, that makes sense then. I think the marshals as the last step if needed helps close the loop. Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

The same thing happens as with desegregation. The national guard eventually goes home as the operation is considered complete. Sure the governor could reactivate them and try to understand everything, but that's not really realistic.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

We already handled the “what are you going to do if we don’t follow the law” question here once, they must have just taken that part out of their history books.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I'm fine with bloodshed. SWAT the fuckers in their beds.

[–] stoly 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Read the wiki article on the standoff in Waco, TX, which happened under Clinton. It would be a larger version of that.