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Ambassadors to Washington warn that the GOP-Democratic divide is endangering America’s national security.

When I asked the European ambassador to talk to me about America’s deepening partisan divide, I expected a polite brushoff at best. Foreign diplomats are usually loath to discuss domestic U.S. politics.

Instead, the ambassador unloaded for an hour, warning that America’s poisonous politics are hurting its security, its economy, its friends and its standing as a pillar of democracy and global stability.

The U.S. is a “fat buffalo trying to take a nap” as hungry wolves approach, the envoy mused. “I can hear those Champagne bottle corks popping in Moscow — like it’s Christmas every fucking day.”

As voters cast ballots in the Iowa caucuses Monday, many in the United States see this year’s presidential election as a test of American democracy. But, in a series of conversations with a dozen current and former diplomats, I sensed that to many of our friends abroad, the U.S. is already failing that test.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago (1 children)

GOP in 2016 = We need to elect Trump because the world is laughing at us.

GOP in 2024 = Who cares what the rest of the world thinks about us?

[–] FlyingSquid 26 points 9 months ago (2 children)

They stopped caring the second Trump got elected and the whole world turned against us except for Putin and his cronies.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They quite obviously never cared. Obama was more respected among America's allies than any president since JFK or some shit. Meanwhile their candidate was globally treated as a fucking joke.

Not even a funny joke - one of those racist sexist jokes your drunk stepfather tells. And the Kremlin were the only ones laughing.

[–] Daft_ish 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Remember when they muddied the waters claiming Hilary was a pedophile because their guy hung out with the dude who ran a pedo ring.

Both sides, tho.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I always took it as a given that any American pol was in favor of the US being 'leader of the Free World.'

On the other hand, I always thought that the American voter would turn away from a guy who constantly spoke ill of America's veterans.

[–] Candelestine 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

A core aspect of the fascist playbook is to undermine everyone's trust in everything. By sowing chaos and distrust, you can create an environment sufficiently uncomfortable that people clamor for someone to come in and simplify things, at any cost.

It's worked before, and it can again. Nothing stands in its way except us, and our ability to explain to people that might, possibly trust us and be reachable.

It's funny how few people understand how fragile democracy really is, just because our American version has proven fairly robust. Education is a tool for preventing its decline, but treatment options once decline is established are far more limited, and rely on grassroots civic engagement.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Nazi Germany had agents working across Europe to undermine the will of the locals to fight.

MAGoos are doing it here for free.

[–] Candelestine 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I was thinking about this in terms of messaging, and one idea we can try is to take a page from the Ross Perot playbook. One weakness we tend to have as more humanities-trained thinkers is we don't really try to communicate numerically.

Numbers and mathematics are harder to fudge than words, and that can work in our favor, for anyone involved with communicating to an actual audience. Particularly with regards to economic messaging though. It's one thing to say companies are profiteering, it's another to take the time to provide graphs, figures and historical data as evidence of your claims.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

imho, it's not about the presentation. The MAGoos saw Herman Cain and thousands of others die and they brushed it off.

Just convince people to vote Blue. At this point, it's the only alternative. Voting for a 3rd Party is a vote for Trump.

[–] Candelestine 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't think anything can crack a die hard MAGA repub. But different strategies can work on different subsets of on-the-fence repubs who might just be semi-bubbled, but not totally insulated.

Frankly, not everyone has a problem with fascism, and you can't necessarily make them, either. Let's not kid ourselves. An economic argument provided with evidence of corrupt behavior might convince some, and would be well worth trying in certain situations.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Trouble with an economic argument is that we have two different economies.

Right now, it's almost impossible for a single income family to survive, but the stock market is booming.

Also, numbers can be manipulated. Back in the 1980s the USA was far ahead of the Soviets by almost any measure. The GOP invented a new category for missiles; throw weight, the size of the payload a missile could carry. Because the West had better tech, they could build smaller weapons. But when you showed a Congressional committee scale models, the Soviet low tech giants seemed magnificent.

[–] Candelestine 1 points 9 months ago

I don't understand how this disagrees with me from a messaging standpoint. Certainly numbers can be fabricated, it's simply more troublesome, because they're easier to check. When you show why the stock market is booming, and how companies are making record profit, then I think it shows in another way how Biden can demonstrate what the real culprits behind American QoL decay are.

This makes sense as a message, regardless of whether it is perfect or not, which no message is.

[–] FlyingSquid 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You can either claim to be leader of the free world or you can say you want to get rid of NATO.

It can't be both.

The first is still bullshit, but it definitely can't be both.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

This is the analogy I've been using for years.

Richard Nixon's Southern Strategy gave the base beer. Ronald Reagan gave them grain alcohol punch, and Bush Jr. gave them straight moonshine. Trump gave them meth.