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DeSantis Says He's Looking to Make 'Credible Case' to Remove Biden From Florida Ballot
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If you are born somewhere are you still an immigrant tho
By your logic everyone everywhere is an immigrant
If you can reasonably trace your ancestors and they came from a very different country than the one you live in, then you don't have much of a right to complain. People used to complain about Italians and Irish coming to the U.S. as well and now the people with Irish and Italian ancestry will complain about immigrants while celebrating their own "heritage."
That makes me laugh every time. I told my coworker that my family has been on this continent longer than her and in fact have been on this piece of land longer than her since it was part of Mexico before the US took it. Heck I'm from native ancestry (couldn't trace it exactly), even before borders my ancestors have been roaming these lands. Shut her up for a minute but she's very passive aggressive and self victimizing as a Caucasian republican.
most Americans arn't natives
Hot take but if you are born somewhere you are a native, land doesn't belong to anyone, that goes for people who live in Europe too
An immigrant is someone who leaves the country where they were born for another country
My blood is German but I'm born in Canada, that makes me Canadian not German lol
My Nigerian nephew was just born in Finland, he's not an immigrant he's Finnish. But why are people "native Finns" when Finns stole the land from the Sami people? By your logic all finnish people are immigrants
How about Iceland? Nobody existed there till somebody landed on a boat, does that mean all Icelandic people are immigrants?
Wild concepts here I know but if you need more examples I can keep going
no, but if one group lives there for a few thousand years, and another group comes like less than 300 years ago, then no technically you are not a native of the place, especially if you come from a colonial background.
now this doesn't mean that you are any less of a citizen, but it does mean that generally speaking that you come from a very different background
So when are white Americans not considered immigrants anymore? I hate desantis too but if he was born in Florida how can you call him an immigrant? That makes zero logical sense
All of Europe is stolen land, so who are not immigrants there?
And when you say "different background" do you mean skin colour?
I like my Finland example with my nephew, he is black but natively speaks finnish and was born there, is he an immigrant or a Finn?
A: never, mainly due to the history of the colonial expansionism of "white" Americans (the fact that you still use white already shows the problem)
A: only some parts are.
A: can't help it that black people were the slaves, Native American Indians (as opposed to the first nations of Canada, or the natives of southern America, because even these people have different backgrounds and experiences), or the Chinese "workers" of the early industrialization, often puts the demarcating line really close t skin color (almost like America is deeply systemically racist or something)
A: did his ancestors kill most fins/Saami and drive the remainder into reservations in some backwater badlands?
People on lemmy are completely delusional