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[–] CosmicCleric 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So yes, I will defend tipping until this is fixed

Can't defend the status quo and expect things to be fixed, they're mutually exclusive of each other. Human nature demands that.

[–] FlyingSquid -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You absolutely can defend the status quo until things are fixed and work for things to be fixed. Maybe you think a change should come at the expense of waiters feeding themselves or their families. I do not.

[–] CosmicCleric 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

You absolutely can defend the status quo until things are fixed and work for things to be fixed.

It hasn't so far, and human nature being what it is, makes it a safe bet that it won't. Having said that, I hope I'm wrong.

Also, its ethically wrong to put the onus on the customer to support the status quo, that's the employer responsibility to take care of their employees in all ways, and an employees responsibility to not work for any boss that won't do that.

Maybe you think a change should come at the expense of waiters feeding themselves or their families. I do not.

YES! Tortuuure them, make them SUUUFFEERRRRR!!1!!11!!!!! /s

If the guy in the next stall asks me for a roll of toilet paper (because he's out), I'm going to give him a roll, as a civic duty to take care of each other.

If the guy in the next stall asks me to come over and wipe his ass for him, he's on his own.

[–] FlyingSquid -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

That's a lot of words to say you don't give a shit if a waiter can't afford to feed their kids as long as you don't have to give them any of your money. I hope you don't go to restaurants if you feel that way.

[–] CosmicCleric 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

That’s a lot of words to say you don’t give a shit if a waiter can’t afford to feed their kids as long as you don’t have to give them any of your money. I hope you don’t go to restaurants if you feel that way.

You're being intellectually dishonest in asigning motive to me, via a strawman or otherwise, without knowing me.

For the record, I do care, truly, but I also won't be held hostage by corporations via my caring. Its ethically wrong.

[–] FlyingSquid -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Fine. Then don't go to restaurants.

[–] CosmicCleric 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Just did one yesterday as a matter of fact.

[–] FlyingSquid -1 points 10 months ago

I see, so what you're essentially saying is that it is okay for you to exploit underpaid labor even though it is not okay for them to be underpaid. Interesting.