THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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Are police supposed to stop chasing a stolen vehicle? What would that kind of action tell criminals? Yea go ahead and steal more vehicles, we won't pursue you.
Yes. It is literally policy in most civilized places to not chase them. Because chases lead to car crashes. And car crashes happen to be a tad bit fatal when people are going fast.
So basically you are saying we must risk the lives of the general public every single time somebody starts to run. People must die so criminals understand they might not get away with stealing that car.
Have you thought this through?
Chasing some criminal in my stolen car isn't logical. I'd rather just deal with the insurance company and move on.
What good is a totaled car? I'm still making an insurance claim but now I have to deal with wreckage. You think the cops are going to be paying the towing and storage fees?
I still disagree. The car's monetary value is irrelevant. Crime needs to be enforced or else there is no point. Why even have police at that point?
At last, we reach complete agreement.
You can enforce crime without police chases.
You might be able to out run the cops, but you can't outrun the radio.
*enforce the law
https://1ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2023/12/31/16-year-old-driver-charged-after-leading-police-on-chase-sending-6-people-to-the-hospital-including-a-3-year-old/
Here ya go. This is why ya don't fucking chase them over stupid shit.
This is a pretty naive take and it highlights a lack of critical thinking and / or empathy.