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[US] Texas AG Threatens Seattle Hospital With Jail Unless It Provides Trans Patient Data (www.erininthemorning.com)

submitted 10 months ago by jennwiththesea to c/news

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"Seattle responded to the request by filing a lawsuit in Travis County, stating they cannot comply because Texas has no jurisdiction in Washington State, and no care was provided by the hospital in Texas. They also point out that the Dormant Commerce Clause, protected by the United States Constitution, “protects the right to interstate travel, including to obtain healthcare services.” By targeting out-of-state hospitals for enforcement of laws that only apply within the jurisdiction of Texas, they “discriminate against healthcare based on an interstate element,” violating constitutional protections, according to the legal filing. Lastly, Seattle Children’s Hospital cannot comply due to a shield law passed by Washington State. This law bars the hospital from providing any patient data and from responding to subpoenas pursuant to “protected healthcare services” obtained within the jurisdiction of Washington. Protected healthcare services include abortion, reproductive care, and gender-affirming care."

"This case promises to be extraordinarily complex. Seattle Children’s Hospital is challenging the jurisdiction of the demands directly in a Texas state court. Regardless of what the local court decides, the claims are likely to go to the Texas Supreme Court. Given that the claims also have a time limit on them and that appeals in Texas automatically favor the attorney general due to an automatic lifting of stays in the state, Seattle Children’s Hospital workers and providers for trans patients from Texas could be under legal jeopardy. Ultimately, the case presents questions of conflicting state laws and regulation of conduct across state lines, and the implications of those laws could be dire for abortion and trans care nationwide."

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[–] JokeDeity 14 points 10 months ago (6 children)

There's way more people on the left than on the right, the only way to save this country at this point is for some of these people to start disappearing, or another full on civil war. The bullshit has to end, I'm tired of every day being more hate fueled evil from these fucking troglodytes.

[–] TechyDad 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The big problem with a Second Civil War is that it won't be North vs South. It wouldn't even be Red States vs Blue States. It would be Red Counties vs Blue Counties.

I live in NY - a deep blue state. I even live in a blue area of the state. If I drive less than 30 minutes from my house, though, I'd end up in an area so red that I might as well be in the deep south.

If there was an active Civil War, people in these red counties would travel to the blue counties to launch attacks (and vice versa). There would be no real "front line." The entire country would be a front line.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean maybe. I have a hard time envisioning what a modern U.S. civil war would look like. What would be the organizations coordinating each side, and what would the chain of command look like? Who would be funding each side, and what would the supply chains look like? What would the actual U.S. military, pentagon, and DoD do?

Even the most red counties have something like 20% blue voters. I imagine voter demographics were comparable during the first Civil War, yet state governments still federated. Confederate states weren't able to get many volunteers, so they brutally enforced conscription.

[–] TechyDad 2 points 10 months ago

My best guess is that it would be less open warfare and more terrorist attacks. For example, suppose NYC has its annual Pride Parade. Some right-wingers would travel in from a red county and "join" the parade. At a certain point, they'd set off some incendiary device to disrupt the proceedings before retreating back to MAGA-land.

These attacks wouldn't need a lot of ammunition or all that much coordination (when compared with a military). MAGA sheriffs could abuse their authority to protect MAGA terrorists from being arrested. (Leaking information to them. "Arresting" them first and refusing to turn them over to state/federal officials. Etc.)

With enough of these attacks, you could have a "war" without any military on either side.

[–] SendMePhotos 1 points 10 months ago

[–] elbarto777 6 points 10 months ago

Another full on civil war? I was with you until this point.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't thing this is true. If you label Democrat voters as "left" and Republican voters as "right," then there is usually only around a 5% difference in the popular vote during presidential elections.

If you label "progressives" as "left," and MAGA Republicans as "right," I think the right actually has a big numbers advantage, judging by how mainstream it seems to be (FOX News vs MSNBC?). I don't watch MSNBC, so I'm not actually sure if it's really progressive, but what I've seen from FOX is pretty far right.

[–] paddirn 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Going by the media probably isn't a good barometer either of how the country leans, as most/all media outlets are owned by corporations and conservative-leaning investment-class folks who have no interest in left-leaning content. Even something like MSNBC will only go so far to the left, more like center-left and corporate-friendly.

I suspect most people are probably somewhere in the middle or left-leaning, not in total agreement with either party, but generally supportive of policies typically pushed by Democrats that help the broadest numbers of people, many are probably just politically agnostic and don't care to even think about politics that much. However, Democrats suck at messaging and at actually getting their policies enacted, either through ineptitude, naivete, or by design, and the demographic groups they go after are also the least dependable when it comes to voting. So we're left with Republicans usually getting their stuff pushed through because they have no shame and are willing to do questionable things in the pursuit of power.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

IDK. Most people I personally know are right-leaning (unfortunately). Either for religious reasons, bigotry, or from drinking the "free-market" kool-aid. They definitely have a different outlook on things. They highly value the nuclear family, hierarchies, retribution, people getting what they "deserve," etc. They think these things are what's best for everybody. A lot of these people don't really follow politics closely, they just think "killing babies" is evil (meaning abortion), the Democrats let crime run rampant, taxes hinder progress and the economy, men kissing is gross and unnatural, the gays, media, and trans' are grooming children, etc.

[+] [email protected] -35 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

funniest thing I've seen on here all day. You think Dems are left or something? The parties are on the same side, ignore their "good cop bad cop" routine, they're there to benefit capital. Not us.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If you don't see the difference between Democrats and Republicans, you're not enlightened, you're blind.

[–] OrteilGenou 7 points 10 months ago

The differences do tend to stop juuust at the part where monetary interests of their funders begin.

Aside from that, very different parties.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

the difference is that when Ds have power they vountarily let Rs call the shots, like they did back in the Obama years when they had a supermajority and decided to let Rs dictate healthcare reform anyway. pay attention kid, they make different noises but they heel to the same masters. you're picking between the fascist party and the collaborator party.

[+] AlfredEinstein -42 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

But the Republicans are the ones who put in the time and effort while the left is smoking doobies, playing their bongos, and masturbating.

#¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It takes more than having a majority.

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edit: The comment above this is literally hinting at violence.

Organizing around issues and engaging in direct action as well as political action is a good first step before we start plotting how to "disappear" people and wage war.

[–] FlickOfTheBean 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's just billionaire funding, not gumption.

Left is king of grassroots movements that go nowhere because they can't get funded while the right has daddy koch and murdock making it rain all the way down to altright and neonazi youtubers.

But call me a hippie conspiracy theorist and move on with your day, because you're obviously not too bright.

[+] OrteilGenou -18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ah the ad hominem attack, the bread and butter of people who have a half-formed argument. The signal of a weak argument dressed in forceful garb.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ah the fallacy fallacy, the bread and butter of people who are incapable of making any argument to support their beliefs, leading one to believe they can't logically explain their position because they didn't logically arrive at it.

Calling out the ad hominem and dismissing it is all well and good, but they had other actual arguments in their post as well. Using the ad hominem at the end as an excuse to run away, claim victory, and commit some ad hominem of your own is just pathetic. If you're going to call out fallacies I expect you to be better than that.

[–] OrteilGenou 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You expect me to be better than that?

All you did up above was exactly what you accused me of doing. I pointed out a fallacy (what were the other arguments exactly? Koch/Nazi? Yeah I didn't mention them because the fallacy was the strongest part of their comment) and you created a false situation (that I "ran away" from something or other) and called that an ad hominem. Objectively incorrect.

Maybe a primer on Aristotelian logic might help you out... Unless of course you'd rather continue to dribble urine down your pant leg and present it proudly as a comment worth reading.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

All you did up above was exactly what you accused me of doing.

All you had was a long winded ad hominem.

called that an ad hominem. Objectively incorrect.

If you had any actual points I missed please point them out.

Unless of course you'd rather continue to dribble urine down your pant leg and present it proudly as a comment worth reading.

If you're going to spend 2 days coming up with a response you're going to have to do better than that. You've once again provided nothing of value to the discussion, you've just flailed around trying to insult me and even failed at that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This. I live in a "liberal" place and people look at me like I'm crazy when I tell them what the GOP is up to in the South. Sometimes they even laugh. Libs think we're as ridiculous and safe to disregard as the MAGAs do. A genocide is coming and libs have their heads in the sand about it. Voting will not save us.

[+] AlfredEinstein -10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As a straight, white man, I don't sweat it personally. I'll be the last one thrown into a camp.

But the people who are more at risk need to get practical with their planning. Community organizing is a great place to start. And I'm not taking violence off the table if it's in self-defense. But fantasizing online about taking up arms against the christo-fascists while skipping the planning stage and training is just going to get a lot of femboys raped and killed.

[–] andros_rex 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If a group of queer folks organized in my home state, that would help the GOP make their lists. If we got violent in self defense, they would kill and jail us. I used to be more of an activist, but it’s fucking impossible to get a job without scrubbing every trace of your transition from the internet.

[+] AlfredEinstein -6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Then scrub your fucking transition. I've done a decent job of scrambling my online identity so that it appears more like noise than signal. I get junkmail addressed to burner jokenames. And I'm a straight, white male. I just like my privacy.

Nothing is going to be handed to you. Keep a low profile and organize among people you trust. This isn't a fucking game. They want to kill you (probably rape you first), and you need to avoid that.

[–] andros_rex 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Do you do any community organizing yourself or do you just lecture queer folks on how to do it on the internet? I know “nothing is going to be handed to” me, I’m a trans person in a state where I don’t legally exist.