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A Popular Sweetener Was Linked to Increased Anxiety in Generations of Mice (www.sciencealert.com)

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[–] ook_the_librarian 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

A few people are replying with links (of various relevance) but you are just saying "no" and claiming you're being "super clear". Some of the replies are directly contraindications of the claim:

If you drink regular soda today, you should absolutely look at replacing that with a diet varient without sugar.

Your counterpoint is saying they are "absolutely safe". I don't know whether you are right or wrong. It's not anywhere near my field, but I can say I don't find your rhetoric convincing.

Edit: I fucked up and pasted the wrong quote. I changed the quote to the one I meant.

[–] echo64 -3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You do not need to find my rhetoric "convincing." One person posted one link, the link was to a meta study that concludes that artificial sweeteners have no evidence that they cause harm.

I am being clear, I am not using confusing language, and I'm stating one thing, over and over. I'm doing this because other people are muddying the water with poor claims, and I do not want anyone reading this thread to come away with the idea that maybe the artificial sweeteners are bad. There is no evidence. Again, I'm being super clear. There is absolutely no evidence, and they are absolutely safe. There is no evidence that suggests they are not absolutely safe.

This place is full of nerds like you and me, and they like to be pandantic. I'm being clear, and using phrases like "absolutely safe" is the correct terminology when we know of no evidence to suggest otherwise.

Again, artificial sweeteners are as far as we know, and we have studied them a lot, absolutely safe and you should consider replacing your sugar intake with them or reducing your sugar intake entirely if you can. Sugar is a large cause of health problems.

[–] ook_the_librarian 2 points 8 months ago

are as far as we know

Who is we? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

My point is that you are just some voice on the internet. When I say I don't find your rhetoric convincing, I mean that the only evidence you offer is rhetoric. And that is not convincing regardless of how clear you are speaking.

[–] smooth_tea 2 points 8 months ago

the link was to a meta study that concludes that artificial sweeteners have no evidence that they cause harm.

This is how the meta study concludes:

Results from prospective cohort studies suggest the possibility of long-term harm in the form of increased risk of obesity, type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular diseases and mortality. Further research is needed to determine whether the observed associations are genuine or a result of reverse causation and/or residual confounding. Further research is also needed in children and pregnant women, the latter for which prospective cohort studies currently suggest possible unfavourable effects of NSS consumption on birthweight and adiposity in offspring later in life.

The scientists who produced the study seem a lot less convinced than you.