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friendly PSA: not all jews are white (lemmy.world)
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[–] [email protected] 55 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (45 children)

People think that Jews in Israel are a monolith, but they actually come from different places and so have vastly different points of view.

For example, European Jews tend to favor a two-state solution whereas Arab and Russian Jews tend to disagree.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

And African Jews in Israel are secretly sterilised by the state so that they can’t have children. Leading to a 50% birth rate decline compared to other groups

Reuben spoke to one woman who believed she had been given a flu vaccination and had no idea she had been injected with Depo-Provera.

Another was pregnant with her fifth child when she arrived in the transit camp, where she would live for seven years. The woman in her thirties told Reuben that officials had gathered together all the new mothers in the camp and told them they would be given Depo-Provera as it would be too difficult for them to give birth Israel.

"No, we didn't want to take it, we refused. We said we didn't want it," the unnamed woman recalls in the film. She agreed to the injections only because she was told her immigration to Israel would be blocked and she would receive no further healthcare in the camps if she refused.

"This happened to many, many other women," Reuben said.

Source: Ethiopian women in Israel 'given contraceptive without consent' - Guardian

[–] Stamets 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Can you please edit your comment to reflect your source on this? For the record, I know the source and it's just straight up factual with Israel outright confirming it happened, but yeah. Just to help prevent some reports. Thanks <3

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Certainly, I’ll hop on my pc and do it shortly.

[–] Stamets 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Thanks buddy. No worries no hurries.

[–] stevehobbes 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Probably should replace the word sterilized with given contraceptives.

They’re wildly different things.

[–] Stamets 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I am not the person who made the comment. If you have an issue with wording of it, take it up with the commenter. As it stands, it does not violate any community rules.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Thousands of Ethiopian Jews were evacuated into Israel through covert operations by Israel.

Assessing Claims That Ethiopian Immigrants to Israel Received Birth Control Shots Without Consent

[–] stevehobbes 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Probably should edit your comment from “secretly sterilized” to “allegedly secretly provided contraceptives”.

Being sterilized and being given contraceptives are wildly different things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn’t want to lie.

Israel can be held accountable for its crimes without white washing them, thanks.

[–] stevehobbes 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Sorry - does that mean you think contraception and sterilization are the same thing?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yeah, I’m confused. Depo-Provera is a contraceptive that needs to be administered every 3 months to prevent pregnancy. And it doesn’t end a pregnancy, it’s been deemed safe for pregnant women and women who (unlikely but possibly) become pregnant after an injection.

It also may help prevent some cancers of the reproductive tract.

Skeptical of the guardians article or the message that people are taking from it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't. They've thanked you for calling them out on accuracy.

[–] stevehobbes 1 points 8 months ago

Is that in a different post or comment I can’t see? Their original still refers to sterilization.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I think you are missing the point. Jewish people who live outside of Israel can't be beholden to policies set by Israel. Its also important to note that Jewish is both a religion and a race.

Don't let the conflicts in Israel control your treatment of other humans. If we let hate overcome us we could end up with Holocaust type situations (it doesn't even need to be Jewish hate)

[–] Son_of_dad 21 points 8 months ago

Also people who think all all Jews are Israelis. My wife is Canadian Jewish, and she's not very religious or political. I'm Latino and I know more about Israel than she does, but people sometimes try to put Israel's baggage on her or her family because of their ancestry. She considers herself Canadian, and her Jewish heritage is a cultural one, not a location.

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