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[–] Snapz 213 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Everyone, stop staying "duh" to research outcomes. Research takes time to design, fund, run and analyze and it's purpose is to scientifically prove something we all "felt" a while ago.

Our feelings don't mean too much because they are often wrong, data backed fact means something. Start being happy about these validation posts and hold off on the pickachu face memes.

[–] Eximius 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While the defence for science is nice (wasn't attacked here), outrage is allowed on public discourse. I think most people are outraged for the lack of inaction of regulatory bodies at the sight of extreme price fixing when everyone and their mother had at least the gut feeling that it is all bullshit.

[–] Snapz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We share that frustration, but anger/frustration at a post like this hurts that cause. It's a moment for amplification that the CEOs need to be held to account and not for anger at a new tool that can help make it more likely that good people act - and good people do act - they just aren't as loud. Ultimately we don't focus on them because anger is what catches and hold our attention.

[–] Eximius 2 points 1 year ago

I don't know. I am conflicted.

Too many times studies arrive (years) late, because they take time, and never make an impact outside of the academic world... Similarly, global warming studies are depressing in that they are exceptionally pedantic (and good) science that leads to nowhere, because in the end that's not what the institutions care about. We're missing grass-roots movements that would be springed-forward by social media. The outrage just needs chanelling into action. People are annoyed by studies.

Having the same team that did the study actually put forth a petition for regulation (while putting a bit less time into being pedantic and less focus on having 1300 corporations) would probably be a better use of everyone's time. But I assume they don't stand by their findings that strongly, and assume it's not their fight (even though they are academically spear-heading it). Quick google found nothing.

In a perfect world, studies into peoples' gut feelings (presumably also shared by anti-monopoly regulation institutions' leaders) would be launched immediately, take months and be more focused (instead of looking at a 1300 corporations), have results and court callings for comment and explanation would be sent out. But we're far from that. There is no [actually working] "criminal justice system" for the "free" market so far...

Studies such as the one in the thread are nice archival information though. Definitely maybe a step forward (if not forgotten quickly).

[–] derf82 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

data backed fact means something

What does it really mean here? You really think anyone will actually take action based on this data? You think it will convince anyone that didn’t already know it was the case? You think companies are magically going to stop overcharging us?

No, companies will keep lying, politicians will keep lying, and consumers will keep getting screwed.

And the “science” don’t need to take long. When companies claim they are raising prices due to increased costs while simultaneously recording record profits, it is obvious what’s going on. Yeah, economists will make excuses, but that is only because they work for the wealthy.

[–] SCB 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What action would you want taken?

[–] derf82 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anti-trust suits, windfall profits taxes, and perhaps some good ol’ French Revolution justice.

[–] SCB 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your absurd call to violence aside, windfall taxes have to be passed through Congress, and every single member of the House majority has signed a literal contract vowing to fight any tax increase.

[–] derf82 2 points 1 year ago

Sorry I think these thieves should be punished. Guess you don’t care. But yes, put me in a room with most mega corporation CEOs, and it would take incredible self control to not personally beat them to death due all the suffering they willingly choose to cause.

And, yeah, exactly my point, this study accomplishes nothing. Republicans and plenty of Democrats will happily run interference for greedy corporations.

[–] Snapz 1 points 1 year ago

It gives institutions the CYA to act with less fear.

[–] dual_sport_dork 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, I literally have the data. It's not like my business doesn't keep records. Anyone could have just asked me.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll ask. Please send me your business data?

[–] Retrograde 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah send it to me too please