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We've upgraded lemmy.world to 0.18.1-rc.1 and rolled back that upgrade because of issues.

(If you had posted anything in those 10 minutes between upgrade and rollback, that post is gone. Sorry!)

The main issue we saw is that users can't login anymore. Existing sessions still worked, but new logins failed (from macos, ios and android. From linux and windows it worked)

Also new account creation didn't work.

I'll create an issue for the devs and retry once it's fixed.

Edit Contacted the devs, they tell me to try again with lemmy-ui at version 0.18.0. Will try again, brace for some downtime!

Edit 2 So we upgraded again, and it seemed to work nicely! But then it slowed down so much it was unuseable. There were many locks in the database. People reported many JSON errors. Sorry, we won't be on 0.18.1 any time soon I'm afraid..

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[–] axzxc1236 107 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Reasons I can think of:

  1. The official Android client for lemmy, Jerboa, only supports 0.18 and later, unless users download older version from github and sideload manually.

  2. Sorting is broken pre 0.18, new posts keeps flowing in.

  3. Performance improvement by removing web socket from lemmy. (which fixes 2, which is why 1. happens)

[–] JdW 27 points 2 years ago (12 children)

Jerboa works fine with lemmy world, it just gives a warning and crashes on occasion. Not an issue to use it though.

[–] Disk 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, if you are already logged in. If you are not logged in, or get logged out you will not be able to log back in until the server version is above 0.18

[–] DrTeeth 3 points 2 years ago

And jerboa recommended logging out. Hmm.

[–] flawedFraction 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

For me at least, I'm unable to change the community scope or sorting method. The only thing I can use Jerboa for is "local" and sorted by "active". It isn't totally unusable, but I would much rather be able to switch to subscribed and hot.

[–] rolaulten 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I had the same bug. A full restart of my phone seems to have fixed it.

[–] flawedFraction 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Unfortunately that didn't work for me. Thanks for the idea, though. I'm sure it will work for some. I suspect that if I wiped the app and set everything back up it might work, but that's more than I'm willing to do at the moment and I can live with the inconvenience for now.

[–] V4uban 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
[–] Texas_Hangover 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That sounds like Bethesda's definition of "works fine"

[–] sorenant 3 points 2 years ago

It works fine if you apply unofficial patch!

[–] pacjo 3 points 2 years ago

It just works, it just works...

[–] axzxc1236 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I tried it again and you are totally correct if you see this message.

[–] JdW 7 points 2 years ago

I tried it again and you are totally correct if you see this message.

I do

[–] falconfetus8 12 points 2 years ago

That is absolutely not "fine".

[–] Guy_Fieris_Hair 8 points 2 years ago

With the last couple updates jerboa has got to a point that I probably won't even move to sync when it comes. I'm pretty happy with it. But if Lemmy Is Fun ever happens, I'm out.

[–] inverimus 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As a new user I tried logging in on Jerboa and it says the server must be on 0.18 and refuses the login.

[–] V4uban 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)
[–] inverimus 2 points 2 years ago

Thanks for the link. I knew could side load an older version, I just wanted to be lazy and use something on the play store. I'm trying out several clients right anyway.

[–] Guy_Fieris_Hair 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

With the last couple updates jerboa has got to a point that I probably won't even move to sync when it comes. I'm pretty happy with it. But if Lemmy Is Fun ever happens, I'm out.

[–] grue 4 points 2 years ago

I'm of a similar mind: I'm happy with Jerboa, yet also looking forward to Slide.

[–] wheresyourshoe 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It won't let me log in, so no, it doesn't "work fine." But I have six other apps for Lemmy, so I'm not worried. It'll all be sorted eventually.

[–] V4uban 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
[–] needthosepylons 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Well you're a lucky one. Jerboa has been unusable for me and other folks post v0.34 since the first rc release of 0.18. I finally managed to downgrade to 0.34 and login after lots of black magic. It used to crash instantly, even on 0.34.

That being said, good luck to lemmy.world admins and thanks a lot for the open comms !

[–] dis_honestfamiliar 6 points 2 years ago

The latest update of jerboa did not let me browse all communities. I had to sideload a previous version.

[–] vanontom 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

"crashes on occasion"

Unfortunately, the occasion seems to be at least once every five minutes for me. thisisfine.jpg This is not fine and definitely a major issue. Especially as we get closer to July 1. After this news from lemmy.world, I will have to switch, until Sync arrives. Update: Liftoff is fantastic, give it a try!

[–] V4uban 3 points 2 years ago
[–] spaceduck 16 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Try wefwef.app on mobile

(no I'm not a bot account shilling I just really like the app)

[–] stargazer4416 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You made me try it, and I've just switched from Jerboa! It has more of an "Infinity" feel to it. Also tried Liftoff today, wasn't my cup of tea either.

[–] spaceduck 2 points 2 years ago

The design is a copy of Apollo

[–] kingcake 4 points 2 years ago

If there was a way to adjust the font sizes it would be 100% perfect. Damn! I'm surprised I hadn't heard of it before. Thanks internet stranger!

[–] kratoz29 2 points 2 years ago

I have been testing this web app today and I'm really surprised of how it good it looks and behaves... I kinda want it as a standalone app now though.

[–] ferrent22 1 points 2 years ago

I'm sold. 😊 I did need to try a couple of times to figure out I needed to swipe left to reply to a comment, though. But it looks good, works well, and I'll get used to the quirks.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The official Android client for lemmy, Jerboa, only supports 0.18 and later, unless users download older version from github and sideload manually.

Even that won't work, because Jerboa initially tries to connect to lemmy.ml which is running 0.18, which older versions of Jerboa aren't compatible with. The app just crashes instantly without giving you the opportunity to log in to your instance.

[–] Darorad 2 points 2 years ago

The old version is working fine for me, I had the crashing issue, but reinstalled and it's working now

[–] Graphine 8 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Why the hell does Jerboa even limit support to 0.18? That's so stupid.

[–] astanix 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Likely because Jebora is written as a side project of the devs of lemmy so it's always going to be cutting edge

[–] Graphine 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I understand that. I'm not complaining about the quality. I'm just confused from a technical perspective why it doesn't support rollback or older server versions in the event of....this.

[–] Darorad 6 points 2 years ago

Fixing the issues with posts appearing and scrolling the page the backend needed some pretty drastic rewrites. I'm not super familiar, but from what I've seen of the code, it would be a decent amount more work to support both versions.

Would it have been worth it? Yes, but it wasn't anticipated that devs would stay on 0.0.17 for more than a day or two. With the time it takes for app stores to update, servers would have been updated before lemmy 0.0.45 was updated for the vast majority of users. At most, it would be a day or two instead of a week or two.

[–] average650 11 points 2 years ago

The latest version only supports 0.18 because the backend works differently. Older versions of Jerboa support older backends of lemmy.

[–] bemenaker 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Connect for Lemmy works better.

[–] ItsDedo 4 points 2 years ago

Is it open source?

[–] KrapKake 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't know but I installed and older version of Jerboa from F-Droid store. I couldn't login from the most recent version of Jerboa because of this so it was pretty much useless for me. Working fine so far.

[–] sorenant 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I probably disabled auto updates on my end some time in the past because my Jerboa says its version 0.0.33 and it's working without any noticeable problems. Thanks, past me.