this post was submitted on 10 Dec 2023
58 points (88.2% liked)

politics

19294 readers
2284 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Republicans have been attacking elite universities for years. After a tense congressional hearing last week, many on the left are joining them.

For years, conservatives have struggled to persuade American voters that the left-wing tilt of higher education is not only wrong but dangerous. Universities and their students, they’ve argued, have been increasingly clenched by suffocating ideologies — political correctness in one decade, overweening “social justice” in another, “woke-ism” most recently — that shouldn’t be dismissed as academic fads or harmless zeal.

The validation they have sought seemed to finally arrive this fall, as campuses convulsed with protests against Israel’s military campaign in Gaza and hostile, sometimes violent, rhetoric toward Jews. It came to a head last week on Capitol Hill, as the presidents of three elite universities struggled to answer a question about whether “calling for the genocide of Jews” would violate school rules, and Republicans asserted that outbreaks of campus antisemitism were a symptom of the radical ideas they had long warned about. On Saturday, amid the fallout, one of those presidents, M. Elizabeth Magill of the University of Pennsylvania, resigned.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I think his entire article misses the point. NYT is so goddamn focused on their “conservatives SLAM liberals” or “republicans CAUGHT RED HANDED” framing that they can’t see the forest for the trees.

This isn’t a matter of “liberals” harboring antisemitic feelings. And it’s definitely at least six layers deeper than “republicans score points as liberals FLOUNDER.” Like…this is the only way these people can conceive of the world? I don’t know how to explain what I’m feeling—I mean, I guess I do. It’s a fucking farce. Zero critical thinking skills whatsoever. And all these writers went to fucking Harvard and Yale, I guarantee it.

Anyway, my point is, the real issue here is that no one can conceive of nuance anymore. People who typically fall under the “liberal” label are fully aware of racism, antisemitism, etc. In fact, the white liberal LOVES to accuse people of it—because it bolsters their liberal bonafides (or at least scores them internet points). They are fully aware of long-running antisemitism and systemic racism showing itself as subtle social cues. They know it. They’re not unaware of what it looks like.

The disconnect is happening because the same social media ecosystem in which they score those “I’m more aware than you” points is also giving them points in the “pro-Palestine minigame.” Their feelings are commodified—in engagement, in views, in likes…being personally affected by the news is like gold stars and everyone is so goddamn busy trying to make the global situation about them. So if you can show just how angry you are, people will see that you care, and the further you take that to further display your anger, the more it shows.

We’ve lost our ability to operate in any gray area—or to even conceive of a gray area. It’s black or white, no questions, no straying from the pack. Peoples opinions are streamlined now. It’s all served up to us on a platter in the most digestible form possible, and then regurgitated down the line so that our opinions on “Our Side” all match. That doesn’t leave any room for critical thinking, and it sure as shit doesn’t leave room for “well, let me just say, I don’t think we should really say _____.” As soon as you question anyone on your established “side,” the groupthink jumps into action to label you whatever the most egregious opposite of a perfect liberal/conservative is. Because you’re a traitor. We’ve established an order here and it leaves no room for drawing logical conclusions on your own. From there it’s a short hop to “kill all Jews.” Because we weren’t questioning the thinking anyway. So why question the calls for genocide? It’s all legitimately unhinged and tragic to see all these people lost to this sort of…idiocy. I’ve tried pointing this out to people who otherwise wouldn’t be harboring super extreme thoughts. But they just can’t see it. Or won’t admit to seeing it. And I’m not sure which is worse.

That’s the much, much larger and deeper problem here. And it’s going to doom us all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You RACIST! /s

[–] steakmeout 1 points 1 year ago

Did…you actually read the article?